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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-143780</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know here in Toronto the former Chair of the Toronto Transit Commission did not have a car. Now he did get caught spending a ton of money on cabs, but overall he still made transit his primary mode of transit, and I saw him a couple times on the subway just randomly. So he at least did try to use transit. 

One of the former directors of the TTC also did not own a car, as he said managers of a transit system should rely on their system to get around. 

It is a very touchy subject. I know transit planners here in Toronto who plan transit everyday yet live in far far far exurban areas with very little transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know here in Toronto the former Chair of the Toronto Transit Commission did not have a car. Now he did get caught spending a ton of money on cabs, but overall he still made transit his primary mode of transit, and I saw him a couple times on the subway just randomly. So he at least did try to use transit. </p>
<p>One of the former directors of the TTC also did not own a car, as he said managers of a transit system should rely on their system to get around. </p>
<p>It is a very touchy subject. I know transit planners here in Toronto who plan transit everyday yet live in far far far exurban areas with very little transit.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there some distinction here between voluntary Board members who have to hold down full time jobs elsewhere, presumably accomplished people in other fields, uncompensated for Board service and time pressured and full time managers of the system, compensated and contracted to do so?  Or is a broad brush all that is necessary here?

Aren&#039;t the organizational structures of these controlling boards very different location v. location?  Do you posit some other form of organization that would weed out those who choose to drive to their board work, maybe elections or employing full time board members required to take the system by contract at whatever wage and benefits they had explicitly agreed to?

These sort of pieces tend, in my mind, to rather shallow analysis of the organizational problems of regional transit boards.  Sort of a tabloid piece worthy of Rupert Murdoch perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there some distinction here between voluntary Board members who have to hold down full time jobs elsewhere, presumably accomplished people in other fields, uncompensated for Board service and time pressured and full time managers of the system, compensated and contracted to do so?  Or is a broad brush all that is necessary here?</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t the organizational structures of these controlling boards very different location v. location?  Do you posit some other form of organization that would weed out those who choose to drive to their board work, maybe elections or employing full time board members required to take the system by contract at whatever wage and benefits they had explicitly agreed to?</p>
<p>These sort of pieces tend, in my mind, to rather shallow analysis of the organizational problems of regional transit boards.  Sort of a tabloid piece worthy of Rupert Murdoch perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Zinman</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Zinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.mercurynews.com/mrroadshow/ci_11719036?nclick_check=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mrroadshow/ci_11719036?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.mercurynews.com/mrroadshow/ci_11719036?nclick_check=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eli Zinman</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Zinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in my area our correspondent showed up a clown from the Reason Foundation who made claims that people in the Transportation business didn&#039;t ride transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in my area our correspondent showed up a clown from the Reason Foundation who made claims that people in the Transportation business didn&#8217;t ride transit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KansasNate

That Grabauskas picture really pisses me off.  I remember seeing that a while ago.  You think with one of our former Governors (definitely not Romney) taking the T, we would have a transit inspired culture, but I think the Republicans were in power too long after that.

I guarantee you would see a drastic change in T funding if MBTA board members were stuck in between Red Line stops for 10 minutes or so everyday, for no particular reason whatsoever.

I think Grabauskas should be forced to take the Red Line or the &quot;B&quot; line all the way to the end once a week (during rush hour), just to keep his head in the right place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KansasNate</p>
<p>That Grabauskas picture really pisses me off.  I remember seeing that a while ago.  You think with one of our former Governors (definitely not Romney) taking the T, we would have a transit inspired culture, but I think the Republicans were in power too long after that.</p>
<p>I guarantee you would see a drastic change in T funding if MBTA board members were stuck in between Red Line stops for 10 minutes or so everyday, for no particular reason whatsoever.</p>
<p>I think Grabauskas should be forced to take the Red Line or the &#8220;B&#8221; line all the way to the end once a week (during rush hour), just to keep his head in the right place.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lived in NYC you would have to be stupid not to ride the subway.  It is easily the fastest way to get around Manhattan.  In Portland tri-met is very easy to use, especially if you combine with cycling.  I used it every day when I lived there.  I live in the Seattle area now and use my bike for most travel.  The transit options are weak in Seattle (compared to NYC and Portland)

As a visitor to DC, I used the Metro on all my trips.  I do think that board members should try to use transit as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in NYC you would have to be stupid not to ride the subway.  It is easily the fastest way to get around Manhattan.  In Portland tri-met is very easy to use, especially if you combine with cycling.  I used it every day when I lived there.  I live in the Seattle area now and use my bike for most travel.  The transit options are weak in Seattle (compared to NYC and Portland)</p>
<p>As a visitor to DC, I used the Metro on all my trips.  I do think that board members should try to use transit as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: KansasNate</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>KansasNate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t think you can “require” people to “regularly” take transit&quot;

True, but government can at the very least refuse to give transit officals SUVs to commute to work in.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/politics/view/2008_07_10_MBTA_boss_touts_T_but_takes_SUV/

I feel pissed every time I hear Grabauskas&#039; recorded voice over the loudspeaker on the MBTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t think you can “require” people to “regularly” take transit&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but government can at the very least refuse to give transit officals SUVs to commute to work in.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/politics/view/2008_07_10_MBTA_boss_touts_T_but_takes_SUV/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/politics/view/2008_07_10_MBTA_boss_touts_T_but_takes_SUV/</a></p>
<p>I feel pissed every time I hear Grabauskas&#8217; recorded voice over the loudspeaker on the MBTA.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure whether or not trimet (Greater Portland, OR area&#039;s transit)&#039;s board of directors rides trimet - I know that the director of Trimet does - I&#039;ve seen him on there.  Our mayor bicycles to work and one of our Congressmen does a lot of his campaigning just riding the LRT back and forth across his district and talking to people on the train.

The problem is that if transit is seen as &quot;for poor people&quot; and board members are necessarily positions of prestige and privilege, you&#039;ve got yourself a disconnect.  In Portland, at least for many destinations, it&#039;s considered the most practical transportation choice - parking is in short supply, expensive, and it&#039;s hard to get in and out of downtown Portland.  And no one takes cabs here...

I don&#039;t think you can &quot;require&quot; people to &quot;regularly&quot; take transit - how regular is regular?  What&#039;s the enforcement mechanism?  Who&#039;s checking up on them?  I think pubicizing the fact that they don&#039;t ride the transit facilities they&#039;re ostensibly advocating for is a good first step - you couldn&#039;t get elected mayor in Portland if someone had a quote of you saying, &quot;“Why should I ride [the train] and inconvenience myself when I can ride in a car?”  You might be able to get appointed to a transit authority board - but it&#039;d cause the governor all kinds of stupid problems he probably would rather bypass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether or not trimet (Greater Portland, OR area&#8217;s transit)&#8217;s board of directors rides trimet &#8211; I know that the director of Trimet does &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen him on there.  Our mayor bicycles to work and one of our Congressmen does a lot of his campaigning just riding the LRT back and forth across his district and talking to people on the train.</p>
<p>The problem is that if transit is seen as &#8220;for poor people&#8221; and board members are necessarily positions of prestige and privilege, you&#8217;ve got yourself a disconnect.  In Portland, at least for many destinations, it&#8217;s considered the most practical transportation choice &#8211; parking is in short supply, expensive, and it&#8217;s hard to get in and out of downtown Portland.  And no one takes cabs here&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can &#8220;require&#8221; people to &#8220;regularly&#8221; take transit &#8211; how regular is regular?  What&#8217;s the enforcement mechanism?  Who&#8217;s checking up on them?  I think pubicizing the fact that they don&#8217;t ride the transit facilities they&#8217;re ostensibly advocating for is a good first step &#8211; you couldn&#8217;t get elected mayor in Portland if someone had a quote of you saying, &#8220;“Why should I ride [the train] and inconvenience myself when I can ride in a car?”  You might be able to get appointed to a transit authority board &#8211; but it&#8217;d cause the governor all kinds of stupid problems he probably would rather bypass.</p>
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		<title>By: Dakota</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/02/23/on-board-members-and-transit-ridership/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Dakota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this really that surprising? It would be interesting to poll transit executives to see how many actually use the systems/networks they govern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this really that surprising? It would be interesting to poll transit executives to see how many actually use the systems/networks they govern.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle&#039;s right on. Here in Boston, nine of nine board members do not take public transit. Some transit advocates are supporting legislation that requires all board members use public transit &quot;regularly&quot; and that some of them even be transit dependent (for more visit www.ace-ej.org). Our Governor and the legislature are facing the real possibility of reforming transportation overall and increasing revenue streams to transportation (thru a gas tax increase - we haven&#039;t had one since 1991). No matter what happens, the solution has to include a board that better represents the ridership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle&#8217;s right on. Here in Boston, nine of nine board members do not take public transit. Some transit advocates are supporting legislation that requires all board members use public transit &#8220;regularly&#8221; and that some of them even be transit dependent (for more visit <a href="http://www.ace-ej.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ace-ej.org</a>). Our Governor and the legislature are facing the real possibility of reforming transportation overall and increasing revenue streams to transportation (thru a gas tax increase &#8211; we haven&#8217;t had one since 1991). No matter what happens, the solution has to include a board that better represents the ridership.</p>
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