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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/04/how-to-fix-transit-financing/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between France and the US in spending priorities isn&#039;t the form of government, though. When the President and Prime Minister are of the same party, the President is the one who makes the decisions. Even when they are of opposite parties, they will share power - for instance, both will attend G-8 meetings, where ordinarily only the President does.

The true difference is that France has a more centralized decision making system. Its government is unitary, not federal, so local interests are weaker. Interest groups don&#039;t compete with one another as in the US, but instead sort into tripartite negotiations among business, labor, and government. This is similar to Japan, which was a leader in HSR as well.

Note that Germany and Canada, which have parliamentary governments but strong regionalism and interest groups, have not been able to build anything like the TGV or Shinkansen. Germany has a longstanding tradition of commitment to rail services, but its emphasis on strong states has compelled it to spread its HSR money thin. Its ICE system serves more corridors than the TGV, but each corridor gets less money, so the trains usually run on legacy track and only reach 250-270 km/h, rather than 300-320 as in France.

Of course, German rail is far better than American rail. This shows that even within a fragmented political system, it&#039;s possible to have reasonable HSR. I&#039;d say the main difference between the US and Germany is that the US is more averse to the public works spending required to create competitive passenger rail. This is why Switzerland, whose political system is extremely fragmented, has top-notch rail, while the English-speaking world, including not only federal countries like the US and Canada but also unitary Britain, does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between France and the US in spending priorities isn&#8217;t the form of government, though. When the President and Prime Minister are of the same party, the President is the one who makes the decisions. Even when they are of opposite parties, they will share power &#8211; for instance, both will attend G-8 meetings, where ordinarily only the President does.</p>
<p>The true difference is that France has a more centralized decision making system. Its government is unitary, not federal, so local interests are weaker. Interest groups don&#8217;t compete with one another as in the US, but instead sort into tripartite negotiations among business, labor, and government. This is similar to Japan, which was a leader in HSR as well.</p>
<p>Note that Germany and Canada, which have parliamentary governments but strong regionalism and interest groups, have not been able to build anything like the TGV or Shinkansen. Germany has a longstanding tradition of commitment to rail services, but its emphasis on strong states has compelled it to spread its HSR money thin. Its ICE system serves more corridors than the TGV, but each corridor gets less money, so the trains usually run on legacy track and only reach 250-270 km/h, rather than 300-320 as in France.</p>
<p>Of course, German rail is far better than American rail. This shows that even within a fragmented political system, it&#8217;s possible to have reasonable HSR. I&#8217;d say the main difference between the US and Germany is that the US is more averse to the public works spending required to create competitive passenger rail. This is why Switzerland, whose political system is extremely fragmented, has top-notch rail, while the English-speaking world, including not only federal countries like the US and Canada but also unitary Britain, does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonah Freemark</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/04/how-to-fix-transit-financing/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonah Freemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A propos France:
It has a presidential system, but it is possible for the legislature, under opposition control, to run the government entirely... this has happened three times in recent history, and it&#039;s called &quot;cohabitation&quot;:

- From 1986 to 1988, when the legislature was controlled by the right, even though the Presidency remained in the hands of Socialist François Mitterand
- From 1993 to 1995, when the legislature was controlled by the right, even though the Presidency remained in the hands of Socialist François Mitterand
- From 1997 to 2002, when the legislature was controlled by the left, even though the Presidency remained in the hands of conservative Jacques Chirac.

In each of these periods, the Prime Minister became the de facto leader of the nation, not the President, who does not have veto power in France. Recent changes in election dates (as well as the reduction of the President&#039;s term from 7 to 5 years) have made cohabitation less likely than before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A propos France:<br />
It has a presidential system, but it is possible for the legislature, under opposition control, to run the government entirely&#8230; this has happened three times in recent history, and it&#8217;s called &#8220;cohabitation&#8221;:</p>
<p>- From 1986 to 1988, when the legislature was controlled by the right, even though the Presidency remained in the hands of Socialist François Mitterand<br />
- From 1993 to 1995, when the legislature was controlled by the right, even though the Presidency remained in the hands of Socialist François Mitterand<br />
- From 1997 to 2002, when the legislature was controlled by the left, even though the Presidency remained in the hands of conservative Jacques Chirac.</p>
<p>In each of these periods, the Prime Minister became the de facto leader of the nation, not the President, who does not have veto power in France. Recent changes in election dates (as well as the reduction of the President&#8217;s term from 7 to 5 years) have made cohabitation less likely than before.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If thats your correction then I stand corrected.  They have a parliamentary legislature, yes they vote for president as well unlike say, Italy.  Still, there is a parliament that has authority to allocate values and resources and it is pretty close to one person one vote.  My point is not that France is a perfect democracy and ours imperfect but that parliaments are more likely to develop good long term mass transit systems than the Senate in the US structured to project political balkanization and states rights (read, slavery).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If thats your correction then I stand corrected.  They have a parliamentary legislature, yes they vote for president as well unlike say, Italy.  Still, there is a parliament that has authority to allocate values and resources and it is pretty close to one person one vote.  My point is not that France is a perfect democracy and ours imperfect but that parliaments are more likely to develop good long term mass transit systems than the Senate in the US structured to project political balkanization and states rights (read, slavery).</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/04/how-to-fix-transit-financing/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imposing a tax, even a minor one, during times of economic downturn is sure to garner mounds of opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imposing a tax, even a minor one, during times of economic downturn is sure to garner mounds of opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/04/how-to-fix-transit-financing/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>France doesn&#039;t have a parliamentary form of government. It has a presidential system, with some parliamentary influence.

Also, Paris became capital of France precisely because it was the largest city. If the US had kept the capital in New York, instead of building DC to appease the South, you could say the same thing about the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>France doesn&#8217;t have a parliamentary form of government. It has a presidential system, with some parliamentary influence.</p>
<p>Also, Paris became capital of France precisely because it was the largest city. If the US had kept the capital in New York, instead of building DC to appease the South, you could say the same thing about the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor correction Vin, the revenues from congestion came to be dedicated to the MTA though that was not the original proposal as I remember.  Personally, I feel that was one of the many reasons congestion pricing went down without a vote though.  Had congestion pricing been allowed to stand or fall on its own merit, and it had enormous productivity value for bus service operated by the MTA without a penny of dedicated money, it might have passed.  The MTA&#039;s role as a permanent scapegoat in NY politics precluded it from being an attractive political magnet for congestion pricing.

This was a great piece on comparative financing.  I am personally of the belief that the parliamentary form of government is really at the root of the superior financing history.  And, that same difference in their form of government has kept Paris an independent political base in national government.  With regards to urban political power France is really a &quot;bizarro&quot; universe (obligato to Superman).  The rich live in the center of Paris, the working class and the poor in very high density complexes in the suburbs (periphery).

Look at our nations capital for example, entirely castrated politically, ghettoized no control of anything.  Paris is the capitol of France and the political leader, and the biggest city with almost complete control of its own destiny with regards to authoritative allocation of values and resources.  United Europe only made it more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor correction Vin, the revenues from congestion came to be dedicated to the MTA though that was not the original proposal as I remember.  Personally, I feel that was one of the many reasons congestion pricing went down without a vote though.  Had congestion pricing been allowed to stand or fall on its own merit, and it had enormous productivity value for bus service operated by the MTA without a penny of dedicated money, it might have passed.  The MTA&#8217;s role as a permanent scapegoat in NY politics precluded it from being an attractive political magnet for congestion pricing.</p>
<p>This was a great piece on comparative financing.  I am personally of the belief that the parliamentary form of government is really at the root of the superior financing history.  And, that same difference in their form of government has kept Paris an independent political base in national government.  With regards to urban political power France is really a &#8220;bizarro&#8221; universe (obligato to Superman).  The rich live in the center of Paris, the working class and the poor in very high density complexes in the suburbs (periphery).</p>
<p>Look at our nations capital for example, entirely castrated politically, ghettoized no control of anything.  Paris is the capitol of France and the political leader, and the biggest city with almost complete control of its own destiny with regards to authoritative allocation of values and resources.  United Europe only made it more so.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good analysis! Very informative blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good analysis! Very informative blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/04/how-to-fix-transit-financing/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the difference in payroll costs.  What is the difference in system-wide miles per hour?  The lower the MPH the higher the operator labor cost. Other costs per mile will not be affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the difference in payroll costs.  What is the difference in system-wide miles per hour?  The lower the MPH the higher the operator labor cost. Other costs per mile will not be affected.</p>
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		<title>By: as</title>
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		<dc:creator>as</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for doing an analysis based on comparing an American system to one outside the USA.  I think we have a lot to learn from looking beyond our borders for better approaches- yet, we seldom do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for doing an analysis based on comparing an American system to one outside the USA.  I think we have a lot to learn from looking beyond our borders for better approaches- yet, we seldom do so.</p>
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		<title>By: dmcquown</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmcquown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating.  Do you have any similar data for the Chicago Transit Authority?  I would love to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating.  Do you have any similar data for the Chicago Transit Authority?  I would love to see it.</p>
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