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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/11/washington-announces-potential-cascades-corridor-investments/#comment-20709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wounder would this line be worth adding catenary and eletric trains to it if sections of it are growing to double and three tracks in that there is no real mainline catenary powered lines in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wounder would this line be worth adding catenary and eletric trains to it if sections of it are growing to double and three tracks in that there is no real mainline catenary powered lines in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: EngineerScotty</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/11/washington-announces-potential-cascades-corridor-investments/#comment-9477</link>
		<dc:creator>EngineerScotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The westside branch (Portland to Newberg to McMinnville to Monmouth to Corvallis) is in pretty bad shape--much of the track is FRA exempt; and the line presently does not connect to Eugene.

Rail connections in the Willamette Valley seem to be generally pretty poor--the only line in any reasonable shape (the UPRR main line) is single-track for most of its length, and geographic constraints (such as where the line passes through the Willamette River gorge through the Tualatin Mountains--the Canby to Oregon City stretch) probably will keep it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The westside branch (Portland to Newberg to McMinnville to Monmouth to Corvallis) is in pretty bad shape&#8211;much of the track is FRA exempt; and the line presently does not connect to Eugene.</p>
<p>Rail connections in the Willamette Valley seem to be generally pretty poor&#8211;the only line in any reasonable shape (the UPRR main line) is single-track for most of its length, and geographic constraints (such as where the line passes through the Willamette River gorge through the Tualatin Mountains&#8211;the Canby to Oregon City stretch) probably will keep it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tom – interesting. Does Stanwood have a regional component to attract a train?&quot;

Google Maps makes it look unlikely.  However, it also makes Stanwood look like a *destination*.  The other thing it demonstrates is that the trains are already slowing down on various curves and grade crossings near Stanwood.

I think worrying about lost time on the northern Cascades is not appropriate until something is done about the disastrous state of the route north of the border, which eats many more minutes than the 1 minute station stop here.  Until BC or Canada gets serious about the Cascades, this is always going to be a low-speed line.  Hence the prioritizing of speed investments in the Seattle-Portland corridor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tom – interesting. Does Stanwood have a regional component to attract a train?&#8221;</p>
<p>Google Maps makes it look unlikely.  However, it also makes Stanwood look like a *destination*.  The other thing it demonstrates is that the trains are already slowing down on various curves and grade crossings near Stanwood.</p>
<p>I think worrying about lost time on the northern Cascades is not appropriate until something is done about the disastrous state of the route north of the border, which eats many more minutes than the 1 minute station stop here.  Until BC or Canada gets serious about the Cascades, this is always going to be a low-speed line.  Hence the prioritizing of speed investments in the Seattle-Portland corridor.</p>
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		<title>By: anon.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/11/washington-announces-potential-cascades-corridor-investments/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>anon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  I guess for Portland it&#039;s really that bridge to downtown which matters.

Steel Bridge is a long-term problem.  The HSR corridor is clearly going to terminate at Portland for a long time to come, unfortunately.  The Eugene service has not gotten much love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I guess for Portland it&#8217;s really that bridge to downtown which matters.</p>
<p>Steel Bridge is a long-term problem.  The HSR corridor is clearly going to terminate at Portland for a long time to come, unfortunately.  The Eugene service has not gotten much love.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Whitford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Whitford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big issue for this corridor is not on the WA side of the border.  It&#039;s on the OR side and the bridge that is currently in use.  First the BN Bridge downriver from the I-5 Bridge (being upgraded, see CRC) isn&#039;t ready for 12 trips per day, I think.  I could be right about this.

The biggest issue is that the State of Oregon isn&#039;t improving the PDX to Eugene corridor at the same pace as WA has been doing during the last few years.  OR is behind WA in our investments to get higher speeds through the Willamette River Valley (God&#039;s Country from those of you who know about The Oregon Trail).

The ODOT doesn&#039;t really have any investments to improve passenger rail speeds that I can point too.  WA does invest in these improvements.  It&#039;s true that the main part of this corridor lies mainly in WA but the time is quickly arriving that the ODOT will not be able to ignore or delay the investments that are required.

Currently we in Portland have a wonderful rail station at Union Station.  But it is on the wrong side of the Willamette River and is to small for the future demands for HSR (both N/S and future E/W line following the I-84 Corridor).  Currently the Amtrak trains have to slow to 5mph to make turns across two railroad bridges in the City of Portland.  One of this bridges (Steel) is used by seven types of transit (people walking and biking, passenger rail, freight rail, light rail for our MAX system, cars and trucks, and buses).  It is a one of a kind bridge.  But isn&#039;t designed for higher speeds for passenger rail, let alone a future true HSR Corridor through Portland.

We are a real bottleneck for both rail freight, passenger freight, and for cars and trucks (see CRC documents about this reality.

Once Oregon gets its act together for our two sections (OR/WA Bridge to the downtown station is the main section (only five miles max.) and then the corridor South of downtown Portland to Eugene is the second section that will need investments for that 100 miles of track) of this corridor then I will feel like we have caught up with the investments that WA is making now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big issue for this corridor is not on the WA side of the border.  It&#8217;s on the OR side and the bridge that is currently in use.  First the BN Bridge downriver from the I-5 Bridge (being upgraded, see CRC) isn&#8217;t ready for 12 trips per day, I think.  I could be right about this.</p>
<p>The biggest issue is that the State of Oregon isn&#8217;t improving the PDX to Eugene corridor at the same pace as WA has been doing during the last few years.  OR is behind WA in our investments to get higher speeds through the Willamette River Valley (God&#8217;s Country from those of you who know about The Oregon Trail).</p>
<p>The ODOT doesn&#8217;t really have any investments to improve passenger rail speeds that I can point too.  WA does invest in these improvements.  It&#8217;s true that the main part of this corridor lies mainly in WA but the time is quickly arriving that the ODOT will not be able to ignore or delay the investments that are required.</p>
<p>Currently we in Portland have a wonderful rail station at Union Station.  But it is on the wrong side of the Willamette River and is to small for the future demands for HSR (both N/S and future E/W line following the I-84 Corridor).  Currently the Amtrak trains have to slow to 5mph to make turns across two railroad bridges in the City of Portland.  One of this bridges (Steel) is used by seven types of transit (people walking and biking, passenger rail, freight rail, light rail for our MAX system, cars and trucks, and buses).  It is a one of a kind bridge.  But isn&#8217;t designed for higher speeds for passenger rail, let alone a future true HSR Corridor through Portland.</p>
<p>We are a real bottleneck for both rail freight, passenger freight, and for cars and trucks (see CRC documents about this reality.</p>
<p>Once Oregon gets its act together for our two sections (OR/WA Bridge to the downtown station is the main section (only five miles max.) and then the corridor South of downtown Portland to Eugene is the second section that will need investments for that 100 miles of track) of this corridor then I will feel like we have caught up with the investments that WA is making now.</p>
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		<title>By: NikolasM</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/03/11/washington-announces-potential-cascades-corridor-investments/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>NikolasM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about rerouting the train in Oregon to go through Corvallis? That way both major universities in that state are connected to the major population centers of the region. It isn&#039;t even that out of the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about rerouting the train in Oregon to go through Corvallis? That way both major universities in that state are connected to the major population centers of the region. It isn&#8217;t even that out of the way.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes sense to invest in the Seattle-Portland corridor. According to a recent article on Planetizen, the PNW is expecting huge growth in the next 15 years. There are also great opportunities for commerce between these two population centers, including tourism. Finally, the citizens of Seattle and Portland are very &quot;green&quot; and pro-transit, so one would expect high ridership along this corridor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense to invest in the Seattle-Portland corridor. According to a recent article on Planetizen, the PNW is expecting huge growth in the next 15 years. There are also great opportunities for commerce between these two population centers, including tourism. Finally, the citizens of Seattle and Portland are very &#8220;green&#8221; and pro-transit, so one would expect high ridership along this corridor.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super. Effing. Awesome.

If they want to know if it&#039;ll increase ridership, they should know that it&#039;ll at least increase by one - me.  (Or two if you count my husband)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super. Effing. Awesome.</p>
<p>If they want to know if it&#8217;ll increase ridership, they should know that it&#8217;ll at least increase by one &#8211; me.  (Or two if you count my husband)</p>
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		<title>By: tom veil</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom veil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, Yonah:
About that Michigan BRT -- Gratoit Ave is a razor-straight road that runs 23 miles from absolute downtown Detroit (at Woodward) through a heavily populated area to Selfridge Air Force Base (at M-59).  If Detroit&#039;s going to upgrade its public transit, this isn&#039;t a bad place to start.

My main objection would be that, for Gratoit&#039;s entire length, there is an equally razor-straight rail line about two miles to the west.  Canadian National Railway owns the tracks (see http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MDOT_Official_Rail_130897_7.pdf)  Now I know CN is a private company and doesn&#039;t have to play ball, but if I were the Federal employee reviewing MDOT&#039;s request, I&#039;d ask MDOT if at any point they said, &quot;hey, CN, if we gave you a third of a BILLION dollars, would you upgrade your tracks in Wayne County and give our commuter trains priority?&quot;


Of course, as you know from this website&#039;s own &quot;An Interstate Rail Network&quot; post, the big picture problem is that Michigan left out the most useful transit upgrade of all: they should be asking for funding to upgrade the CSX tracks from Wayne County Airport to Toledo in order to run true High Speed Rail!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, Yonah:<br />
About that Michigan BRT &#8212; Gratoit Ave is a razor-straight road that runs 23 miles from absolute downtown Detroit (at Woodward) through a heavily populated area to Selfridge Air Force Base (at M-59).  If Detroit&#8217;s going to upgrade its public transit, this isn&#8217;t a bad place to start.</p>
<p>My main objection would be that, for Gratoit&#8217;s entire length, there is an equally razor-straight rail line about two miles to the west.  Canadian National Railway owns the tracks (see <a href="http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MDOT_Official_Rail_130897_7.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MDOT_Official_Rail_130897_7.pdf</a>)  Now I know CN is a private company and doesn&#8217;t have to play ball, but if I were the Federal employee reviewing MDOT&#8217;s request, I&#8217;d ask MDOT if at any point they said, &#8220;hey, CN, if we gave you a third of a BILLION dollars, would you upgrade your tracks in Wayne County and give our commuter trains priority?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, as you know from this website&#8217;s own &#8220;An Interstate Rail Network&#8221; post, the big picture problem is that Michigan left out the most useful transit upgrade of all: they should be asking for funding to upgrade the CSX tracks from Wayne County Airport to Toledo in order to run true High Speed Rail!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until the congestion immediately South and East of Chicago is fixed, Michigan is kinda limited.  Their plan appears to be to slightly reduce trip times and help reliability greatly, while also starting up a connecting Commuter Service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until the congestion immediately South and East of Chicago is fixed, Michigan is kinda limited.  Their plan appears to be to slightly reduce trip times and help reliability greatly, while also starting up a connecting Commuter Service.</p>
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