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	<title>Comments on: Boston to Extend Silver Line to Mattapan and South Station</title>
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		<title>By: Max Wyss</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-16910</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Wyss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocean Railroader: A natural development line concerning capacity is beginning with single buses. At a certain time, you will need articulateds. The world&#039;s leading bus manufacturers have single or articulated variants.

The next step would be trolleybuses (which provide better accelleration, and can create higher capacities). This also means a more or less specified guideway. And if more capacity is needed, double articulated trolleybuses come into the play (as it happened in Zürich or Genève, where 25 m long trolley buses run nowadays, and there are some really tight curves in the network).

And when the capacity of double artucilated buses is no longer sufficient, light rail would be the next step.

It has been suggested as a big advantage of BRT using its own right of way, that it can be implemented within very short time, and it would allow to secure the right of way for light rail operation ... eventually. 

So, BRT, can have its advantages, if you have a long-term plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocean Railroader: A natural development line concerning capacity is beginning with single buses. At a certain time, you will need articulateds. The world&#8217;s leading bus manufacturers have single or articulated variants.</p>
<p>The next step would be trolleybuses (which provide better accelleration, and can create higher capacities). This also means a more or less specified guideway. And if more capacity is needed, double articulated trolleybuses come into the play (as it happened in Zürich or Genève, where 25 m long trolley buses run nowadays, and there are some really tight curves in the network).</p>
<p>And when the capacity of double artucilated buses is no longer sufficient, light rail would be the next step.</p>
<p>It has been suggested as a big advantage of BRT using its own right of way, that it can be implemented within very short time, and it would allow to secure the right of way for light rail operation &#8230; eventually. </p>
<p>So, BRT, can have its advantages, if you have a long-term plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-16882</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think once a bus gets to a point were you have to link two of them as one it&#039;s time for streetcars or light rail a bus that long would be on the danger side condering other drivers act like trolls on the highway. I find this sliver line project silly in that they are going to dig tunnels build bridges and other crazy things for a simply bus route. It&#039;s time to get light rail or a streetcar.

At least with Richmond&#039;s bus project they are only going to restripe the existing six lane highway to four car lanes a two bus lanes and only add brick pavers for the cross walks and some landscaping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think once a bus gets to a point were you have to link two of them as one it&#8217;s time for streetcars or light rail a bus that long would be on the danger side condering other drivers act like trolls on the highway. I find this sliver line project silly in that they are going to dig tunnels build bridges and other crazy things for a simply bus route. It&#8217;s time to get light rail or a streetcar.</p>
<p>At least with Richmond&#8217;s bus project they are only going to restripe the existing six lane highway to four car lanes a two bus lanes and only add brick pavers for the cross walks and some landscaping.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15576</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocean RR -- When they claim they&#039;ll put in Light Rail or streetcars &quot;after&quot; the Bus Repackaged Transit shows the need for a real system, that&#039;s another time I&#039;d be ready to use the guillotine. It shows real contempt for democracy when elected leaders so blatantly lie to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocean RR &#8212; When they claim they&#8217;ll put in Light Rail or streetcars &#8220;after&#8221; the Bus Repackaged Transit shows the need for a real system, that&#8217;s another time I&#8217;d be ready to use the guillotine. It shows real contempt for democracy when elected leaders so blatantly lie to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15568</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double Decker buses would be far more fun and intersting vs the bendy buses on BRT line.

The BRT line they are planning along Broad Street in Richmond Virginia they are planning to run bendy buses and they made a comment on their website that over 700 bus trips happen each day on Broad street. The ceterlanes on Broad street that they are going to use for it run right over a former streetcar line right down the center of Broad. But oddly the city is doing this BRT project with the idea that the streetcar line might come back one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double Decker buses would be far more fun and intersting vs the bendy buses on BRT line.</p>
<p>The BRT line they are planning along Broad Street in Richmond Virginia they are planning to run bendy buses and they made a comment on their website that over 700 bus trips happen each day on Broad street. The ceterlanes on Broad street that they are going to use for it run right over a former streetcar line right down the center of Broad. But oddly the city is doing this BRT project with the idea that the streetcar line might come back one day.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15543</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody, the M79 artics run at 3-4-minute intervals at rush hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody, the M79 artics run at 3-4-minute intervals at rush hour.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15538</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody: That depends on how the set-up works. On London&#039;s bendy buses (come on, it sounds so much nicer than articulated - isn&#039;t that a dental surgery procedure) there are 3 doors for exit and entry (though by habit, people tend not to use the front doors for exiting as you get growled at for that on ordinary buses), which does seem to make things faster than other bus types. You can&#039;t pay cash - fares are by prepaid ticket or, in most cases, by Oyster Card (there are card readers near each set of doors). Of course, this does open things up for fare-dodging (people refer to one of my local routes as the Seventy-Free) but it does provide employment for occasional swarms of ticket inspectors. That said, we hate them anyway. Unattractive, characterless, more people stuck standing and a nightmare for cyclists - can&#039;t wait for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Routemaster&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new Routemasters&lt;/a&gt; to arrive.

I&#039;m surprised they haven&#039;t considered double-deckers for NYC. Are there height restrictions? Or are they just considered old-fashioned, even though 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doppeldeckerbus_dreiachsig_BVG.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some of them&lt;/a&gt; patently are not. 

In terms of passenger flow, if I recall correctly, at least some of the double-deckers in Berlin had two staircases, so there was a continuous flow from the front of the bus to the rear exit on both levels. Very efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody: That depends on how the set-up works. On London&#8217;s bendy buses (come on, it sounds so much nicer than articulated &#8211; isn&#8217;t that a dental surgery procedure) there are 3 doors for exit and entry (though by habit, people tend not to use the front doors for exiting as you get growled at for that on ordinary buses), which does seem to make things faster than other bus types. You can&#8217;t pay cash &#8211; fares are by prepaid ticket or, in most cases, by Oyster Card (there are card readers near each set of doors). Of course, this does open things up for fare-dodging (people refer to one of my local routes as the Seventy-Free) but it does provide employment for occasional swarms of ticket inspectors. That said, we hate them anyway. Unattractive, characterless, more people stuck standing and a nightmare for cyclists &#8211; can&#8217;t wait for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Routemaster" rel="nofollow">new Routemasters</a> to arrive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised they haven&#8217;t considered double-deckers for NYC. Are there height restrictions? Or are they just considered old-fashioned, even though<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doppeldeckerbus_dreiachsig_BVG.jpg" rel="nofollow">some of them</a> patently are not. </p>
<p>In terms of passenger flow, if I recall correctly, at least some of the double-deckers in Berlin had two staircases, so there was a continuous flow from the front of the bus to the rear exit on both levels. Very efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15512</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon256 -- In theory I don&#039;t object to articulated buses. But in actual NYC practice ... 

They were put on the Crosstown routes connecting the East and West sides on Manhattan. These routes are heavily used by New Yorkers, and as everyone knows, we&#039;re always in a HURRY! 

When the new buses were put in service, each one carried as many or more passengers as two regular buses. To save money, they ran half as often. What had been a wait of, say, 4 minutes between each bus now became a scheduled 8 minute interval. But they run slower, because the crowds that accumulate at each stop enter the bus painfully slowly through the front door. Indeed, a small crowd exits through the front door as well, in part because of the distance from seats in front to the rear exit doors is so much longer. Now bunching is a regular problem. More often than not the behemoth buses come in pairs, a full one with an almost empty one right behind it.

The MTA could have honestly said, &quot;We can raise fares, or get higher taxes, or use double buses to cut costs, and we chose to cut costs. Sorry about the inconvenience.&quot;

Now in ordinary cases, I&#039;m against the death penalty. But when the MTA instead responded to complaints of decreased service by denying there was any such thing &quot;because capacity remained the same,&quot; that was when I would have hauled out the guillotine. 

I hate these buses and I arrange my bus-riding life to avoid them. Note to all riders: the 96th St Crosstown buses are NOT articulated.

Fact is, articulated buses mean degraded service, except perhaps on a full-blown BRT, but for everyone else, they are decidedly inferior. We should be honest with ourselves about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon256 &#8212; In theory I don&#8217;t object to articulated buses. But in actual NYC practice &#8230; </p>
<p>They were put on the Crosstown routes connecting the East and West sides on Manhattan. These routes are heavily used by New Yorkers, and as everyone knows, we&#8217;re always in a HURRY! </p>
<p>When the new buses were put in service, each one carried as many or more passengers as two regular buses. To save money, they ran half as often. What had been a wait of, say, 4 minutes between each bus now became a scheduled 8 minute interval. But they run slower, because the crowds that accumulate at each stop enter the bus painfully slowly through the front door. Indeed, a small crowd exits through the front door as well, in part because of the distance from seats in front to the rear exit doors is so much longer. Now bunching is a regular problem. More often than not the behemoth buses come in pairs, a full one with an almost empty one right behind it.</p>
<p>The MTA could have honestly said, &#8220;We can raise fares, or get higher taxes, or use double buses to cut costs, and we chose to cut costs. Sorry about the inconvenience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now in ordinary cases, I&#8217;m against the death penalty. But when the MTA instead responded to complaints of decreased service by denying there was any such thing &#8220;because capacity remained the same,&#8221; that was when I would have hauled out the guillotine. </p>
<p>I hate these buses and I arrange my bus-riding life to avoid them. Note to all riders: the 96th St Crosstown buses are NOT articulated.</p>
<p>Fact is, articulated buses mean degraded service, except perhaps on a full-blown BRT, but for everyone else, they are decidedly inferior. We should be honest with ourselves about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15509</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are planning to add articulated buses to some of the major bus lines in downtown Richmond Virginia at least with the articuted buses and bio articulated buses it makes it easer for streetcar planners to look for more logical routes for streetcar lines vs going after a regular bus line with regular sized buses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are planning to add articulated buses to some of the major bus lines in downtown Richmond Virginia at least with the articuted buses and bio articulated buses it makes it easer for streetcar planners to look for more logical routes for streetcar lines vs going after a regular bus line with regular sized buses.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon256</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15455</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon256</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocean Railroader: Articulated buses are routinely used on ordinary local bus routes in major cities (New York, Los Angeles, London, Budapest, Jerusalem, and many others).  With proper driver training this works just fine and is well worth it for the increased capacity (though Boris Johnson disagrees).  Of course on a &quot;BRT&quot; route with dedicated right-of-way length/handling is even less of an issue, and some BRT systems such as Curitiba use bi-articulated (i.e. three-segment) buses.  Such a buses still have less capacity than a two-car light rail train, but have their place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocean Railroader: Articulated buses are routinely used on ordinary local bus routes in major cities (New York, Los Angeles, London, Budapest, Jerusalem, and many others).  With proper driver training this works just fine and is well worth it for the increased capacity (though Boris Johnson disagrees).  Of course on a &#8220;BRT&#8221; route with dedicated right-of-way length/handling is even less of an issue, and some BRT systems such as Curitiba use bi-articulated (i.e. three-segment) buses.  Such a buses still have less capacity than a two-car light rail train, but have their place.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/05/boston-to-extend-silver-line-to-mattapan-and-south-station/#comment-15398</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The few things I kind of don&#039;t understand about BRT is that if it is a type of bus that is really two regular buses linked up with a bendy thing in the middle. It would most likely be very hard to drive it though very heavy traffic in a major city so the bus drivers really do have a lot of skills to drive them with out getting into a crash. It looks like the streetcars need to reclame their old terrorty in that if you have two or three streetcars linked up the rails help control it far better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The few things I kind of don&#8217;t understand about BRT is that if it is a type of bus that is really two regular buses linked up with a bendy thing in the middle. It would most likely be very hard to drive it though very heavy traffic in a major city so the bus drivers really do have a lot of skills to drive them with out getting into a crash. It looks like the streetcars need to reclame their old terrorty in that if you have two or three streetcars linked up the rails help control it far better.</p>
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