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	<title>Comments on: Electrification Suddenly in Vogue Again</title>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-138208</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 06:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amtrak would also save a few million dollars a year by having Vrginia Power be able to add new 25Hz Single phase Amtrak Pennsyvinia Railroad power genetators at their North Anna Neclear Plant which they plan to expland by 1500 megawatts. These new 25Hz generators in Vrginia Power&#039;s homeland would allow Amtrak to cut back on power which is historcally more expenssive in Mayland and Pennsyvinia along with taking pressure off of it&#039;s Static Convter Stations in Pennsyvinia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amtrak would also save a few million dollars a year by having Vrginia Power be able to add new 25Hz Single phase Amtrak Pennsyvinia Railroad power genetators at their North Anna Neclear Plant which they plan to expland by 1500 megawatts. These new 25Hz generators in Vrginia Power&#8217;s homeland would allow Amtrak to cut back on power which is historcally more expenssive in Mayland and Pennsyvinia along with taking pressure off of it&#8217;s Static Convter Stations in Pennsyvinia.</p>
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		<title>By: leon wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-138173</link>
		<dc:creator>leon wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 04:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Installed catenary from dc to richmond va and watch the
rail ridership go up. Build it and the public will come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Installed catenary from dc to richmond va and watch the<br />
rail ridership go up. Build it and the public will come.</p>
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		<title>By: OceanRailroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-61331</link>
		<dc:creator>OceanRailroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You spend about 40 minutes to a hour dealing with entering into the Pennsyvinia Catenary Anomily when you have to change from oil powered trains to eletric in Washingtion DC coming up from Richmond and Newport News. If the NEC&#039;s catenary was extended to Richmond it would save tens of tens of thouands of passanger&#039;s from lossing hours waiting to get itno the Anomily&#039;s gatway into it. 

Here is a video of what is really wrong with the NEC Catenary and how it&#039;s preventing high speed rail 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQMPEUhm2Bs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You spend about 40 minutes to a hour dealing with entering into the Pennsyvinia Catenary Anomily when you have to change from oil powered trains to eletric in Washingtion DC coming up from Richmond and Newport News. If the NEC&#8217;s catenary was extended to Richmond it would save tens of tens of thouands of passanger&#8217;s from lossing hours waiting to get itno the Anomily&#8217;s gatway into it. </p>
<p>Here is a video of what is really wrong with the NEC Catenary and how it&#8217;s preventing high speed rail<br />
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/kQMPEUhm2Bs/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-61319</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the never-wills change their mind when service improves. Expensive, terrible air travel makes people swear off flying; convenient, cheap air travel makes people fly more. The same is true for trains and cars.

On all the city pairs you list, the mode share of air is tiny. If a single one of them has a 15% air mode share I&#039;ll be deeply surprised. The dominant mode of transport in the US at those distances is the car. Even on Los Angeles-San Francisco, more people drive than fly, if I remember the CAHSR ridership projection documents correctly. The breakeven point for air versus driving is about 900 miles - though this is a nationwide average, which includes many city pairs on which air service is infrequent and indirect.

On city pairs dominated by air, constructing HSR is usually a folly, because the distance is so great that construction costs are very high. Only on routes that can be broken down into small components, such as New York-Chicago, or maybe New York-Atlanta, is this justifiable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the never-wills change their mind when service improves. Expensive, terrible air travel makes people swear off flying; convenient, cheap air travel makes people fly more. The same is true for trains and cars.</p>
<p>On all the city pairs you list, the mode share of air is tiny. If a single one of them has a 15% air mode share I&#8217;ll be deeply surprised. The dominant mode of transport in the US at those distances is the car. Even on Los Angeles-San Francisco, more people drive than fly, if I remember the CAHSR ridership projection documents correctly. The breakeven point for air versus driving is about 900 miles &#8211; though this is a nationwide average, which includes many city pairs on which air service is infrequent and indirect.</p>
<p>On city pairs dominated by air, constructing HSR is usually a folly, because the distance is so great that construction costs are very high. Only on routes that can be broken down into small components, such as New York-Chicago, or maybe New York-Atlanta, is this justifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-61311</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgan, we all agree that airline travel is best for long routes, well, except perhaps for the more than half of all Americans who have never flown and tell pollsters that they never will. 

But it&#039;s absurd to think that air travel at any price is the best way to get from Philly to Harrisburg, or from Worcester, Mass. to Springfield, from Norfolk to Richmond, from Charlottesville to D.C., from Greensboro to Raleigh, from Cleveland to Columbus, or from Columbus to Dayton or Cincinnati, or from Milwaukee to Madison, from Oakland to Sacramento or San Jose, much less to fly from NYC to Albany, from Albany to Syracuse, from Syracuse to Rochester, from Rochester to Buffalo.

We need a transportation policy and a budget that recognizes that each different mode of transport has its best place. On this site, we focus on rail, which is the mode most overlooked when the gravy boat is passed around Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan, we all agree that airline travel is best for long routes, well, except perhaps for the more than half of all Americans who have never flown and tell pollsters that they never will. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s absurd to think that air travel at any price is the best way to get from Philly to Harrisburg, or from Worcester, Mass. to Springfield, from Norfolk to Richmond, from Charlottesville to D.C., from Greensboro to Raleigh, from Cleveland to Columbus, or from Columbus to Dayton or Cincinnati, or from Milwaukee to Madison, from Oakland to Sacramento or San Jose, much less to fly from NYC to Albany, from Albany to Syracuse, from Syracuse to Rochester, from Rochester to Buffalo.</p>
<p>We need a transportation policy and a budget that recognizes that each different mode of transport has its best place. On this site, we focus on rail, which is the mode most overlooked when the gravy boat is passed around Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-11195</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pennsyvinia Catenary lines that run from from New York to Washingiton get there power from a major hydro Dam on the Susacahanna River and what they could do is convert more of the power generators at that dam from house hold power sales to railroad power sales and add a few extra power lines and have then ship power to the proposed catenary line extensions.

There was talks of extending the Pennsyvinia Catenary masts and lines to Pittsburg in the 1930&#039;s we should dust off those old plans and extend the lines that way first and then extend the lines south to Pettersburg Virginia. The classic catenary masts have a good plan built into them with their top rows of trassmision wires that would allow them to take on power at a wind farm or a solar farm or a hyro station and ship it to substations along the lines.


There is also something sad to that I noice in Pennsyvinia along the Susahanna River there is a mainline railroad with Pennsyvinia Catenary masts and all the masts are still standing but are stipped off their wires meaning that they don&#039;t run off eletric anymore. Also in Lancaster PA there is a rail line that follows US Route 30 that has catenary masts but they were stipped of their wires. We could easly restore eletric power to these lines by adding new catenary wires to the masts that are missing their wires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pennsyvinia Catenary lines that run from from New York to Washingiton get there power from a major hydro Dam on the Susacahanna River and what they could do is convert more of the power generators at that dam from house hold power sales to railroad power sales and add a few extra power lines and have then ship power to the proposed catenary line extensions.</p>
<p>There was talks of extending the Pennsyvinia Catenary masts and lines to Pittsburg in the 1930&#8242;s we should dust off those old plans and extend the lines that way first and then extend the lines south to Pettersburg Virginia. The classic catenary masts have a good plan built into them with their top rows of trassmision wires that would allow them to take on power at a wind farm or a solar farm or a hyro station and ship it to substations along the lines.</p>
<p>There is also something sad to that I noice in Pennsyvinia along the Susahanna River there is a mainline railroad with Pennsyvinia Catenary masts and all the masts are still standing but are stipped off their wires meaning that they don&#8217;t run off eletric anymore. Also in Lancaster PA there is a rail line that follows US Route 30 that has catenary masts but they were stipped of their wires. We could easly restore eletric power to these lines by adding new catenary wires to the masts that are missing their wires.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tenenbaum, PE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Tenenbaum, PE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathanael, could you imagine all the egos that were at stake 100 years ago when each railroad CEO believed he had the better idea for electrification?

Recently our company completed work for a descendant of Commodore Vanderbilt.  All I can tell you about that experience is that the same insanity and substance abuse behind the under-running third rail and all the insanity in the bloodline that followed continues to the present day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathanael, could you imagine all the egos that were at stake 100 years ago when each railroad CEO believed he had the better idea for electrification?</p>
<p>Recently our company completed work for a descendant of Commodore Vanderbilt.  All I can tell you about that experience is that the same insanity and substance abuse behind the under-running third rail and all the insanity in the bloodline that followed continues to the present day!</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-1634</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Empire Connection suffers from incompatible electrification systems.  Metro-North uses under-running third rail DC, LIRR uses top-running third rail DC, and Amtrak/NJT/SEPTA use AC overhead wires.

To run on both the Hudson Line electrification and the Penn Station electrification, an Amtrak locomotive would either need &quot;flip-shoes&quot; (simple) or (more complicated, but better long term) both a shoe and a pantograph and both AC and DC transformers.  This is frankly a good idea but it&#039;s tied up in failure to order new locomotives for Amtrak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Empire Connection suffers from incompatible electrification systems.  Metro-North uses under-running third rail DC, LIRR uses top-running third rail DC, and Amtrak/NJT/SEPTA use AC overhead wires.</p>
<p>To run on both the Hudson Line electrification and the Penn Station electrification, an Amtrak locomotive would either need &#8220;flip-shoes&#8221; (simple) or (more complicated, but better long term) both a shoe and a pantograph and both AC and DC transformers.  This is frankly a good idea but it&#8217;s tied up in failure to order new locomotives for Amtrak.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/06/18/electrification-suddenly-in-vogue-again/#comment-1633</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stupidest part about Empire is that they don&#039;t electrify the Empire Connection from Penn Station to Spuyten Duyvil. Right now Amtrak runs diesel trains all the way, even on the parts of the Hudson Line that are already electrified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stupidest part about Empire is that they don&#8217;t electrify the Empire Connection from Penn Station to Spuyten Duyvil. Right now Amtrak runs diesel trains all the way, even on the parts of the Hudson Line that are already electrified.</p>
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		<title>By: Adirondacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adirondacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why not electrify all of Caltrain&lt;/em&gt;

They will be, when California&#039;s HIgh Speed rail system is built. It would be ..... inefficient to electrify it now, rip it all out and re-electrify it in 5 years.

&lt;em&gt;and Empire Corridors&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m sure they have been toying with the idea since the line was electrified between Grand Central and Croton a hundred years ago. They even actually talk about it now and then. They never do anything....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why not electrify all of Caltrain</em></p>
<p>They will be, when California&#8217;s HIgh Speed rail system is built. It would be &#8230;.. inefficient to electrify it now, rip it all out and re-electrify it in 5 years.</p>
<p><em>and Empire Corridors</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they have been toying with the idea since the line was electrified between Grand Central and Croton a hundred years ago. They even actually talk about it now and then. They never do anything&#8230;.</p>
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