Comments on: France Approves Route for Marseille-Nice TGV http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/01/france-approves-route-for-marseille-nice-tgv/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:40:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ian http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/01/france-approves-route-for-marseille-nice-tgv/#comment-14190 Ian Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:16:43 +0000 http://thetransportpolitic.com/?p=2558#comment-14190 doe anyone know of a website that provides a detailed description or map of exactly what the route is? I'm particularly interested in the Cannes / Mandelieu area. doe anyone know of a website that provides a detailed description or map of exactly what the route is? I’m particularly interested in the Cannes / Mandelieu area.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/01/france-approves-route-for-marseille-nice-tgv/#comment-1778 Alon Levy Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:25:13 +0000 http://thetransportpolitic.com/?p=2558#comment-1778 From Toulon east, it's more or less in the highway ROW. From Toulon east, it’s more or less in the highway ROW.

]]> By: Jarrett at HumanTransit.org http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/01/france-approves-route-for-marseille-nice-tgv/#comment-1777 Jarrett at HumanTransit.org Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:46:17 +0000 http://thetransportpolitic.com/?p=2558#comment-1777 I'm curious: Did they have the coast ROW already in public ownership? This has to be some of the most expensive rural real estate in the world ... I’m curious: Did they have the coast ROW already in public ownership? This has to be some of the most expensive rural real estate in the world …

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/01/france-approves-route-for-marseille-nice-tgv/#comment-1776 Alon Levy Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:43:17 +0000 http://thetransportpolitic.com/?p=2558#comment-1776 Nice sees more tourism than Lyon and Marseille, which helps explain the air traffic. Much of the traffic at Nice Côte d'Azur is short-haul international flights with no reasonable rail alternative. Even for flights for Paris, I'm skeptical that 3:50 will be enough to create a large modal shift from air to rail. SNCF says that it can compete with air at 4:30 and below, but the most successful HSR lines are those with travel times at or below 3:00. The line could be shorter with an inland route. It could be even shorter if it had started further north. The problem is not that it would ruin the landscape, but that it would reduce train traffic to Avignon and Aix-en-Provence, which drew the local NIMBYs' ire. Inland Provence is an inferior tourist destination to the Riviera, and the people there know it. Any good rail connection to Nice, especially one that didn't go through Marseille, would make Avignon and Aix-en-Provence less necessary. Nice sees more tourism than Lyon and Marseille, which helps explain the air traffic. Much of the traffic at Nice Côte d’Azur is short-haul international flights with no reasonable rail alternative. Even for flights for Paris, I’m skeptical that 3:50 will be enough to create a large modal shift from air to rail. SNCF says that it can compete with air at 4:30 and below, but the most successful HSR lines are those with travel times at or below 3:00.

The line could be shorter with an inland route. It could be even shorter if it had started further north. The problem is not that it would ruin the landscape, but that it would reduce train traffic to Avignon and Aix-en-Provence, which drew the local NIMBYs’ ire. Inland Provence is an inferior tourist destination to the Riviera, and the people there know it. Any good rail connection to Nice, especially one that didn’t go through Marseille, would make Avignon and Aix-en-Provence less necessary.

]]> By: Loren Petrich http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/01/france-approves-route-for-marseille-nice-tgv/#comment-1775 Loren Petrich Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:33:12 +0000 http://thetransportpolitic.com/?p=2558#comment-1775 That's great to see. France has some big TGV plans, and has already selected three contractors to bid on construction from Le Mans to Rennes in northwestern France. The plans include construction of various lines in eastern and southwestern France, and in the longer term, a line from Lyon to Turin, Italy. http://www.railwaygazette.com/news_view/article/2009/06//long_term_tgv_plans.html http://www.railwaygazette.com/ur_single/article/2009/06/9727/three_shortlisted_for_lgv_bretagne.html The existing line crosses the France-Italy border a bit east of Nice, and continues to Genoa. However, I haven't come across anything about upgrading that line. Maybe they might start if they see France building toward Nice. That’s great to see. France has some big TGV plans, and has already selected three contractors to bid on construction from Le Mans to Rennes in northwestern France. The plans include construction of various lines in eastern and southwestern France, and in the longer term, a line from Lyon to Turin, Italy.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news_view/article/2009/06//long_term_tgv_plans.html
http://www.railwaygazette.com/ur_single/article/2009/06/9727/three_shortlisted_for_lgv_bretagne.html

The existing line crosses the France-Italy border a bit east of Nice, and continues to Genoa. However, I haven’t come across anything about upgrading that line. Maybe they might start if they see France building toward Nice.

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