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	<title>Comments on: Chicago Transit Advocates Encourage Rapid Transit Conversion of Metra Line</title>
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		<title>By: DBX</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-24731</link>
		<dc:creator>DBX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metra Electric does not share tracks with freight.  There are six tracks on the line, all grade separated from the road network and from each other.  Four are for Metra Electric and South Shore trains, and two -- without catenary at the moment -- are for freight.  And once the mayor&#039;s Grand Crossing scheme is built, those two extra tracks won&#039;t be used at all, although high speed rail advocates see it, appropriately enough, as an ideal access to the city for high speed rail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metra Electric does not share tracks with freight.  There are six tracks on the line, all grade separated from the road network and from each other.  Four are for Metra Electric and South Shore trains, and two &#8212; without catenary at the moment &#8212; are for freight.  And once the mayor&#8217;s Grand Crossing scheme is built, those two extra tracks won&#8217;t be used at all, although high speed rail advocates see it, appropriately enough, as an ideal access to the city for high speed rail.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-24630</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freight can run under a catenary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freight can run under a catenary.</p>
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		<title>By: FG</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-24600</link>
		<dc:creator>FG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IC (Metra Electric) used to be even more metro-like when it had turnstyles and electronic ticketing, which was removed because it &quot;confused&quot; people (more like it cost a lot and had high fare evasion, requiring conductors to check tickets on the trains anyway). 

It would be hard to convert the metra to electric running since most of them share the tracks with freight, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IC (Metra Electric) used to be even more metro-like when it had turnstyles and electronic ticketing, which was removed because it &#8220;confused&#8221; people (more like it cost a lot and had high fare evasion, requiring conductors to check tickets on the trains anyway). </p>
<p>It would be hard to convert the metra to electric running since most of them share the tracks with freight, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-24386</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metra could rebuild the train statons as they extend the wires to the diesel powered statons or at least do it at one major line at a time based off which carried the most traffic first and then work there way down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metra could rebuild the train statons as they extend the wires to the diesel powered statons or at least do it at one major line at a time based off which carried the most traffic first and then work there way down.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bredin</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-24362</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bredin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Metra, there is no place &quot;where the electric ones end and where the oil powered ones begin.&quot;  It&#039;s not like the Long Island Railroad or New Jersey Transit where lines are electrified closer to Manhattan but the wires end at some distance from Manhattan.  

The Metra Electric line (originally Illinois Central) is entirely electric from Millenium Station downtown to its outer terminals.  All the other Metra lines are entirely diesel from their city terminals at Union, Ogilvie, or LaSalle Street Station to the end.

On a related note, the Metra Electric uses high platforms with level-floor boarding and multiple-unit trains, like a metro except with larger gallery cars. The other Metra lines are more like a traditional railroad: diesel engines push or pull non-powered passenger cars, the stations have low platforms, and passengers must take four steps (including three steps inside the train) or a lift between the platform and the floor of the car. Thus, if Metra was to electrify a route, they would likely have to electrify the entire line all at once with high platforms at every station, or have new electric engines pull the existing non-powered cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Metra, there is no place &#8220;where the electric ones end and where the oil powered ones begin.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not like the Long Island Railroad or New Jersey Transit where lines are electrified closer to Manhattan but the wires end at some distance from Manhattan.  </p>
<p>The Metra Electric line (originally Illinois Central) is entirely electric from Millenium Station downtown to its outer terminals.  All the other Metra lines are entirely diesel from their city terminals at Union, Ogilvie, or LaSalle Street Station to the end.</p>
<p>On a related note, the Metra Electric uses high platforms with level-floor boarding and multiple-unit trains, like a metro except with larger gallery cars. The other Metra lines are more like a traditional railroad: diesel engines push or pull non-powered passenger cars, the stations have low platforms, and passengers must take four steps (including three steps inside the train) or a lift between the platform and the floor of the car. Thus, if Metra was to electrify a route, they would likely have to electrify the entire line all at once with high platforms at every station, or have new electric engines pull the existing non-powered cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-24265</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking about looking at the Metra lines on google streetview and seeing were the electric ones end and were the oil powered ones begin to see how they link into one another. Then I&#039;m going to photo chop them to see witch railroad lines were eletric lines could be extended to the suburb stations that don&#039;t have eletric powered trains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking about looking at the Metra lines on google streetview and seeing were the electric ones end and were the oil powered ones begin to see how they link into one another. Then I&#8217;m going to photo chop them to see witch railroad lines were eletric lines could be extended to the suburb stations that don&#8217;t have eletric powered trains.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-6021</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw this in the Chicago Sun Times: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/olympics/1748593,olympic-report-2016-finalists-090209.stng

Metra might do best listening to this proposal! It could be an easy and cheap way to upgrade capacity on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw this in the Chicago Sun Times: <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/sports/olympics/1748593,olympic-report-2016-finalists-090209.stng" rel="nofollow">http://www.suntimes.com/sports/olympics/1748593,olympic-report-2016-finalists-090209.stng</a></p>
<p>Metra might do best listening to this proposal! It could be an easy and cheap way to upgrade capacity on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted King</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on #4
Caltrain gets its upgrades in dribs and drabs. One barrier to its running more often is that it is diesel powered - with electrification it could run smaller, cheaper consists during off-peak periods. As it is the upgrades keep trickling in : Santa Clara County light-rail joint stns.; more light-rail service at Fourth + King (SF Muni); grade separations and track upgrades; etc. The golden carrots Caltrain is hoping for are (1) electrification and (2) the Trans-Bay Terminal extension. If both carrots were realized that would open the door for standard LA-SF service with a future upgrade to HSR.

P.S. Check your routes - do you have spare tunnel capacity ? I&#039;ve seen in San Francisco at least one unused tunnel bore next to the in-service, double-track bore. That can save a bundle in construction costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on #4<br />
Caltrain gets its upgrades in dribs and drabs. One barrier to its running more often is that it is diesel powered &#8211; with electrification it could run smaller, cheaper consists during off-peak periods. As it is the upgrades keep trickling in : Santa Clara County light-rail joint stns.; more light-rail service at Fourth + King (SF Muni); grade separations and track upgrades; etc. The golden carrots Caltrain is hoping for are (1) electrification and (2) the Trans-Bay Terminal extension. If both carrots were realized that would open the door for standard LA-SF service with a future upgrade to HSR.</p>
<p>P.S. Check your routes &#8211; do you have spare tunnel capacity ? I&#8217;ve seen in San Francisco at least one unused tunnel bore next to the in-service, double-track bore. That can save a bundle in construction costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Coslor</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/08/chicago-transit-advocates-encourage-rapid-transit-conversion-of-metra-line/#comment-1867</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Coslor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting idea to give over the Metra electric to the CTA, particularly if it is the case that Metra would prefer not to own this route in the first place. Having CTA own it and Metra operate it could also make good sense. This plan would make it much more convenient to travel to the loop and onward, with real benefits for people on the South Side.

I also like the idea of integrating the fare systems, although I think the original author&#039;s suggestion of fare equalization is improbable; Metra covers much longer distances, making by-distance rates more logical than flat rates as with the CTA.

However, I think it would be logical to integrate Metra with the touch and go Chicago card, which carries a draw-down balance. For example, riders could touch in for CTA service, then do a touch-in &amp; touch-out for the Metra operated service. Perhaps we could have a mobile device for the conductors on other Metra lines, as it is convenient to be able to pay on the train.  (Admittedly, monthly prices could be a pain to coordinate.) This system could even be outsourced to improve buy-in, as in the case of the Hong Kong Octopus card, where you can even use the card to buy a chocolate in a train-station 7-11 or pay for parking, or the London Oyster card, which can also be used in many places for the National Rail long distance commuter service (similar to Metra). Now that would be a real Chicago card, and very convenient for hoards of Olympic tourists.

Further, thinking about the distances vs. time costs vs. fares is important. I think it would be entirely reasonable to charge more for gold line service, given it would provide faster trips. But this is a more general question- I have always wondered why CTA doesn&#039;t allow the bus prices to stay lower while raising train fares. This maintains the social good of cheap bus transportation--and in Chicago, buses serve almost all the same areas as rail--and the extra charge helps to provide more money to the more expensive rail service. This happens in other places. Some cities charge more for rail trips at peak times, and this additional money helps to pay for more frequent service at those times. Seattle charges more for express bus service. With the Chicago Card and newer ticket machines, these differentials are much easier to charge, and the seamless transfer system already in place is doing similar work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting idea to give over the Metra electric to the CTA, particularly if it is the case that Metra would prefer not to own this route in the first place. Having CTA own it and Metra operate it could also make good sense. This plan would make it much more convenient to travel to the loop and onward, with real benefits for people on the South Side.</p>
<p>I also like the idea of integrating the fare systems, although I think the original author&#8217;s suggestion of fare equalization is improbable; Metra covers much longer distances, making by-distance rates more logical than flat rates as with the CTA.</p>
<p>However, I think it would be logical to integrate Metra with the touch and go Chicago card, which carries a draw-down balance. For example, riders could touch in for CTA service, then do a touch-in &amp; touch-out for the Metra operated service. Perhaps we could have a mobile device for the conductors on other Metra lines, as it is convenient to be able to pay on the train.  (Admittedly, monthly prices could be a pain to coordinate.) This system could even be outsourced to improve buy-in, as in the case of the Hong Kong Octopus card, where you can even use the card to buy a chocolate in a train-station 7-11 or pay for parking, or the London Oyster card, which can also be used in many places for the National Rail long distance commuter service (similar to Metra). Now that would be a real Chicago card, and very convenient for hoards of Olympic tourists.</p>
<p>Further, thinking about the distances vs. time costs vs. fares is important. I think it would be entirely reasonable to charge more for gold line service, given it would provide faster trips. But this is a more general question- I have always wondered why CTA doesn&#8217;t allow the bus prices to stay lower while raising train fares. This maintains the social good of cheap bus transportation&#8211;and in Chicago, buses serve almost all the same areas as rail&#8211;and the extra charge helps to provide more money to the more expensive rail service. This happens in other places. Some cities charge more for rail trips at peak times, and this additional money helps to pay for more frequent service at those times. Seattle charges more for express bus service. With the Chicago Card and newer ticket machines, these differentials are much easier to charge, and the seamless transfer system already in place is doing similar work.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This plan does pop up repeatedly.  It should have been done long ago.  Unfortunately, for reasons I don&#039;t fully understand, Metra has consistently underinvested in the Electric Line, which last I checked was still iits most popular, preferring to put money into lines with lower patronage -- and diesel engines.

The University of Chicago stop is in a particularly disgraceful state, and in a particularly prime location.  The Roosevelt Road stop used to be the worst of all, and finally got something approaching acceptability very recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This plan does pop up repeatedly.  It should have been done long ago.  Unfortunately, for reasons I don&#8217;t fully understand, Metra has consistently underinvested in the Electric Line, which last I checked was still iits most popular, preferring to put money into lines with lower patronage &#8212; and diesel engines.</p>
<p>The University of Chicago stop is in a particularly disgraceful state, and in a particularly prime location.  The Roosevelt Road stop used to be the worst of all, and finally got something approaching acceptability very recently.</p>
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