<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Mayoral Elections Highlight Controversies Over Transit Provision</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:27:39 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14447</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14447</guid>
		<description>First, part of the original delay came from delays in securing funds. The Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations provided nothing, and Sheldon Silver had to threaten Pataki that if he didn&#039;t get his SAS money, Pataki wouldn&#039;t get ESA money. SAS may have been started earlier if there had been more money available.

Arguably, the fact that the city didn&#039;t provide enough money to do phases 1 and 2 at the same time caused part of the delay and construction cost overruns. It&#039;d have been cheaper to put the launch box near the Harlem River Drive than in the middle of 2nd and 96th, and the overall cost of phases 1 and 2 would have been lower since they would just need one pair of TBMs.

Second, Bloomberg&#039;s transit funding priorities aren&#039;t skewed just because of SAS. I find his unwillingness to fund a station at 41st and 10th because that area is already developed every bit as enlightening.

And yes, I know that this is moot. The close victory means Weiner will run. He&#039;ll probably win, which may or may not be a good thing. Weiner&#039;s consistently a populist, and was against congestion pricing, but later supported bridge tolls on suburbanites (see plan &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mrbrklyn.com/resources/200903_weiner_mta.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). On the other hand, on other domestic issues, like health care and neighborhood governance, he has a perfect record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, part of the original delay came from delays in securing funds. The Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations provided nothing, and Sheldon Silver had to threaten Pataki that if he didn&#8217;t get his SAS money, Pataki wouldn&#8217;t get ESA money. SAS may have been started earlier if there had been more money available.</p>
<p>Arguably, the fact that the city didn&#8217;t provide enough money to do phases 1 and 2 at the same time caused part of the delay and construction cost overruns. It&#8217;d have been cheaper to put the launch box near the Harlem River Drive than in the middle of 2nd and 96th, and the overall cost of phases 1 and 2 would have been lower since they would just need one pair of TBMs.</p>
<p>Second, Bloomberg&#8217;s transit funding priorities aren&#8217;t skewed just because of SAS. I find his unwillingness to fund a station at 41st and 10th because that area is already developed every bit as enlightening.</p>
<p>And yes, I know that this is moot. The close victory means Weiner will run. He&#8217;ll probably win, which may or may not be a good thing. Weiner&#8217;s consistently a populist, and was against congestion pricing, but later supported bridge tolls on suburbanites (see plan <a href="http://www.mrbrklyn.com/resources/200903_weiner_mta.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>). On the other hand, on other domestic issues, like health care and neighborhood governance, he has a perfect record.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14443</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14443</guid>
		<description>Alon -- So what if the City has spent $0 on the SAS? I have read that it&#039;s delayed because moving the utilities took longer than expected, some designs needed to be reworked, blasting was delayed due to a couple of shaky buildings involved in real estate speculation, uh, lessee, the rock is too hard, the dog ate the blueprints, whatever. 

The SAS has not been delayed, in the reports I&#039;ve seen, due to a shortage of funds from the City. When Phase II ramps up, that may require City funds and then the needed cash will be found.

Today East Harlem is one big fat tract of ripening speculation and potential development. When we get beyond the big real estate slump and economic doldrums of the Great Recession, the big players will get ready to put up high-rise apartment towers along First, Second, and Third Avenues on the &quot;Upper Upper East Side.&quot; Then things will be moved and shaken, and the SAS will be completed up to 125th St, stations and all. If it takes City money to do that, no problem.

Anyway, perhaps a moot argument. Thompson wasn&#039;t quite a giant killer, but he sure cut Hizzoner down to a more human size. A fourth term remains a theoretical possibility, but this morning it  looked less like a very real threat. We&#039;ll be watching Cong Anthony Weiner and Controller John Liu for their views on public transportation with great interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon &#8212; So what if the City has spent $0 on the SAS? I have read that it&#8217;s delayed because moving the utilities took longer than expected, some designs needed to be reworked, blasting was delayed due to a couple of shaky buildings involved in real estate speculation, uh, lessee, the rock is too hard, the dog ate the blueprints, whatever. </p>
<p>The SAS has not been delayed, in the reports I&#8217;ve seen, due to a shortage of funds from the City. When Phase II ramps up, that may require City funds and then the needed cash will be found.</p>
<p>Today East Harlem is one big fat tract of ripening speculation and potential development. When we get beyond the big real estate slump and economic doldrums of the Great Recession, the big players will get ready to put up high-rise apartment towers along First, Second, and Third Avenues on the &#8220;Upper Upper East Side.&#8221; Then things will be moved and shaken, and the SAS will be completed up to 125th St, stations and all. If it takes City money to do that, no problem.</p>
<p>Anyway, perhaps a moot argument. Thompson wasn&#8217;t quite a giant killer, but he sure cut Hizzoner down to a more human size. A fourth term remains a theoretical possibility, but this morning it  looked less like a very real threat. We&#8217;ll be watching Cong Anthony Weiner and Controller John Liu for their views on public transportation with great interest.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14425</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14425</guid>
		<description>Russell: the city has spent $0 on SAS, either from the general fund or from bonds. This despite the fact that subway service increases property values even for existing neighborhoods.

Jon: yes, I&#039;d rather have had Thompson. Thompson could be voted out in 4 years, and would be restricted from doing bad by the city council. Bloomberg can buy himself a fourth term and bribe city council into letting him gentrify more neighborhoods.

And no, Thompson didn&#039;t run against any environmental justice projects in Bed-Stuy. He ran against bike lanes in Chinatown. That was stupid of him - the bike lanes are actually popular there - but Chinatown isn&#039;t Bed-Stuy and it&#039;s not East Harlem.

It makes sense to start in high-profile location only if you&#039;re going for pizzazz, which is what Sadik-Khan&#039;s doing. Even then, there&#039;s no excuse not to immediately move on to the most traffic-choked neighborhoods. If you&#039;re going for just improving alternative transportation and public health, you should start with projects that actually improve alternative transportation and public health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell: the city has spent $0 on SAS, either from the general fund or from bonds. This despite the fact that subway service increases property values even for existing neighborhoods.</p>
<p>Jon: yes, I&#8217;d rather have had Thompson. Thompson could be voted out in 4 years, and would be restricted from doing bad by the city council. Bloomberg can buy himself a fourth term and bribe city council into letting him gentrify more neighborhoods.</p>
<p>And no, Thompson didn&#8217;t run against any environmental justice projects in Bed-Stuy. He ran against bike lanes in Chinatown. That was stupid of him &#8211; the bike lanes are actually popular there &#8211; but Chinatown isn&#8217;t Bed-Stuy and it&#8217;s not East Harlem.</p>
<p>It makes sense to start in high-profile location only if you&#8217;re going for pizzazz, which is what Sadik-Khan&#8217;s doing. Even then, there&#8217;s no excuse not to immediately move on to the most traffic-choked neighborhoods. If you&#8217;re going for just improving alternative transportation and public health, you should start with projects that actually improve alternative transportation and public health.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: eldondre</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14406</link>
		<dc:creator>eldondre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14406</guid>
		<description>In Philadelphia the powers that be are supporting a half billion trolley to nowhere when there&#039;s  recent study on a subway to its northeast that was projected to carry some 120k riders per day. who would have imagined that Houston woudl have the most sensible plan and have a line with the highest ridership per route mile. the world is upsdie down indeed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Philadelphia the powers that be are supporting a half billion trolley to nowhere when there&#8217;s  recent study on a subway to its northeast that was projected to carry some 120k riders per day. who would have imagined that Houston woudl have the most sensible plan and have a line with the highest ridership per route mile. the world is upsdie down indeed</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Russell Warshay</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14373</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Warshay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14373</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bloomberg is defunding Second Avenue Subway in favor of a subway to nowhere.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seeing as the 7 train extension is being financed by bonds linked to new real estate tax revenue (an idea that looked much better several years ago than it does now,) exactly where is the proof that the SAS has been defunded for this other project?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bloomberg is defunding Second Avenue Subway in favor of a subway to nowhere.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seeing as the 7 train extension is being financed by bonds linked to new real estate tax revenue (an idea that looked much better several years ago than it does now,) exactly where is the proof that the SAS has been defunded for this other project?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14321</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14321</guid>
		<description>so you&#039;d rather thompson?

alon, you are trying to make this into something its not. it makes more sense to start in high profile locations especially places where there is the volume of foot traffic to actually populate the new plazas. times square was in serious need of additional pedestrian space and is a place occupied by a large cross section of the population. there is no select bus service in manhattan, there is in the bronx, and she tried it in brooklyn which thompson has opposed.

thompson is the one fighting JSK&#039;s projects especially those in neglected neighborhoods like bed-stuy and whom is more concerned about motorists street parking over new bus and bike lanes in these very neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so you&#8217;d rather thompson?</p>
<p>alon, you are trying to make this into something its not. it makes more sense to start in high profile locations especially places where there is the volume of foot traffic to actually populate the new plazas. times square was in serious need of additional pedestrian space and is a place occupied by a large cross section of the population. there is no select bus service in manhattan, there is in the bronx, and she tried it in brooklyn which thompson has opposed.</p>
<p>thompson is the one fighting JSK&#8217;s projects especially those in neglected neighborhoods like bed-stuy and whom is more concerned about motorists street parking over new bus and bike lanes in these very neighborhoods.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Loren Petrich</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14306</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Petrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14306</guid>
		<description>As of this writing,

In Atlanta, it&#039;s Norwood 45%, Reed 37%, Borders 14.5%, 14% precincts reporting. Likely to go into a runoff of Norwood vs. Reed

http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/69012927.html

In Charlotte, Foxx has won with 51% of the vote, with Lassiter conceding

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/politics/story/1036333.html

In Houston, it&#039;s Parker 31%, Locke 25%, Brown 23%, Morales 20%, with 75% of precincts reporting. Likely to go into a runoff, with Parker vs. Locke

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6701998.html

In Miami, Regalado is winning, with 72%, Sanchez 28%, with 81% precincts reporting.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=aH1L3nxLHwts

In New York City, Bloomberg is winning again (CNN)

Bloomberg 51%, Thompson 46%, 98% of precincts reporting

In Seattle, McGinn is barely winning, with 50.03%,  Mallahan 48.96% in early returns.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/411800_mayor03.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of this writing,</p>
<p>In Atlanta, it&#8217;s Norwood 45%, Reed 37%, Borders 14.5%, 14% precincts reporting. Likely to go into a runoff of Norwood vs. Reed</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/69012927.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/69012927.html</a></p>
<p>In Charlotte, Foxx has won with 51% of the vote, with Lassiter conceding</p>
<p><a href="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/politics/story/1036333.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.charlotteobserver.com/politics/story/1036333.html</a></p>
<p>In Houston, it&#8217;s Parker 31%, Locke 25%, Brown 23%, Morales 20%, with 75% of precincts reporting. Likely to go into a runoff, with Parker vs. Locke</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6701998.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6701998.html</a></p>
<p>In Miami, Regalado is winning, with 72%, Sanchez 28%, with 81% precincts reporting.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=aH1L3nxLHwts" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=aH1L3nxLHwts</a></p>
<p>In New York City, Bloomberg is winning again (CNN)</p>
<p>Bloomberg 51%, Thompson 46%, 98% of precincts reporting</p>
<p>In Seattle, McGinn is barely winning, with 50.03%,  Mallahan 48.96% in early returns.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seattlepi.com/local/411800_mayor03.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattlepi.com/local/411800_mayor03.html</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14305</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14305</guid>
		<description>Cap&#039;n, the business and community leaders in Manhattan gave Sadik-Khan the same brushoff. She slapped bike lanes and traffic calming on them anyway.

The mind boggles at the notion that the first traffic reduction priority should be Midtown and not East Harlem, where community activists have complained about asthma for decades, or Long Island City.

Did Sadik-Khan ever try to do anything for East Harlem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap&#8217;n, the business and community leaders in Manhattan gave Sadik-Khan the same brushoff. She slapped bike lanes and traffic calming on them anyway.</p>
<p>The mind boggles at the notion that the first traffic reduction priority should be Midtown and not East Harlem, where community activists have complained about asthma for decades, or Long Island City.</p>
<p>Did Sadik-Khan ever try to do anything for East Harlem?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Froggie</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14289</link>
		<dc:creator>Froggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14289</guid>
		<description>I guess the Minneapolis mayoral race isn&#039;t that significant in this regard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the Minneapolis mayoral race isn&#8217;t that significant in this regard&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/03/mayoral-elections-highlight-controversies-over-transit-provision/#comment-14286</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/?p=4481#comment-14286</guid>
		<description>You make it sound as though Charlotte has given up on its ambitious plans for rail lines throughout the city and nearby areas and is just settling for a central-city streetcar. That&#039;s not the case; the plans for a complete, five-corridor system are still there, and the city intends to build the other four, unbuilt corridors. The task, of course, because of the recession and its impact on Charlotte&#039;s financial sector, is figuring how and when.

So don&#039;t count Charlotte or its transit plans out. Knowing my hometown -- and I know it pretty well -- it will happen. Just got a few things to figure out first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make it sound as though Charlotte has given up on its ambitious plans for rail lines throughout the city and nearby areas and is just settling for a central-city streetcar. That&#8217;s not the case; the plans for a complete, five-corridor system are still there, and the city intends to build the other four, unbuilt corridors. The task, of course, because of the recession and its impact on Charlotte&#8217;s financial sector, is figuring how and when.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t count Charlotte or its transit plans out. Knowing my hometown &#8212; and I know it pretty well &#8212; it will happen. Just got a few things to figure out first.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
