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	<title>Comments on: Alternative Alignments for Corridor Cities Transitway Illustrate Importance of Reaching Town Centers</title>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/06/alternative-alignments-for-corridor-cities-transitway-illustrate-importance-of-reaching-town-centers/#comment-15689</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a very good master plan it looks like do to the Oil panic of 2008 if it had kept going into late 2009 could have flooded out MARC in passangers from what the master plan mentioned. It also looks like that instead of building the great passanger projects in 2035 they should move up those plans to 2015-2018 in case we get hit by another rouge oil price spike. If they start extending electrification to Richmond Virginia then they also might start to think about extending the wires down to other rail lines around Washingtion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a very good master plan it looks like do to the Oil panic of 2008 if it had kept going into late 2009 could have flooded out MARC in passangers from what the master plan mentioned. It also looks like that instead of building the great passanger projects in 2035 they should move up those plans to 2015-2018 in case we get hit by another rouge oil price spike. If they start extending electrification to Richmond Virginia then they also might start to think about extending the wires down to other rail lines around Washingtion.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This link to MARC
http://www.mtamaryland.com/projects/
has the &quot;MARC Growth &amp; Investment Plan&quot; if you click on that icon. But sorry, no electrification for the Camden line or the Brunswick/Frederick line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link to MARC<br />
<a href="http://www.mtamaryland.com/projects/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtamaryland.com/projects/</a><br />
has the &#8220;MARC Growth &amp; Investment Plan&#8221; if you click on that icon. But sorry, no electrification for the Camden line or the Brunswick/Frederick line.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/06/alternative-alignments-for-corridor-cities-transitway-illustrate-importance-of-reaching-town-centers/#comment-15566</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you know of any info if they are going to add eletric powered trains to the railroad lines that are not part of the NEC?

Woody there is a old railroad line in Fredrick that would really bing in the passangers MARC it comes out of the downtown area of Fredrick and then runs along US 15 and Interstate 270 right around their mixing interchange and follows US 15 for two miles before going out of sight. I did once go into downtown Fredrick and it is something sleeping and waiting for passanger cars. There is also another railroad that runs from Pennsyvinia to Fredrick Mayland and it goes though some very tight pedestrain freindly town cores and it needs passanger trains too. I have a friend who has to drive over a hour and a half a day to get to Washingtion from Pennsyvinia. While most of these rail lines are very near main highways and active towns and yet they sit unused. 

I remember hearing romurs that they want to add 4 billon a year vs the old 1 billon a year to meet the demands of the sucessful railroad stimulus funding. Everyone from both parties is trying to get more funding to their states rail projects. Virginia Railroad Express is waiting for funding to extend passanger rail from Washingtion DC&#039;s core to out past US Route 15.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you know of any info if they are going to add eletric powered trains to the railroad lines that are not part of the NEC?</p>
<p>Woody there is a old railroad line in Fredrick that would really bing in the passangers MARC it comes out of the downtown area of Fredrick and then runs along US 15 and Interstate 270 right around their mixing interchange and follows US 15 for two miles before going out of sight. I did once go into downtown Fredrick and it is something sleeping and waiting for passanger cars. There is also another railroad that runs from Pennsyvinia to Fredrick Mayland and it goes though some very tight pedestrain freindly town cores and it needs passanger trains too. I have a friend who has to drive over a hour and a half a day to get to Washingtion from Pennsyvinia. While most of these rail lines are very near main highways and active towns and yet they sit unused. </p>
<p>I remember hearing romurs that they want to add 4 billon a year vs the old 1 billon a year to meet the demands of the sucessful railroad stimulus funding. Everyone from both parties is trying to get more funding to their states rail projects. Virginia Railroad Express is waiting for funding to extend passanger rail from Washingtion DC&#8217;s core to out past US Route 15.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/06/alternative-alignments-for-corridor-cities-transitway-illustrate-importance-of-reaching-town-centers/#comment-15519</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocean RR -- Did U ever look at MARC&#039;s 30-year plan? I don&#039;t know if it is still posted on their site. But it was awesome, laying out step by step where they will double track, triple track, quad track, build bridges, add frequencies, start new lines. They aim for transit-like service, every 15 minutes, from D.C. well beyond Baltimore, up to the Army base or further. And plan to begin service towards Frederick. 

What they&#039;ll need is some billions to work with. They got the ROW and the passengers waiting. As this Great Recession rolls on and unemployment remains at 10% or 16%, depending on how you measure it, we may need a second stimulus program twice as big as this year&#039;s. We&#039;ll need the trains and it looks like we&#039;ll need the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocean RR &#8212; Did U ever look at MARC&#8217;s 30-year plan? I don&#8217;t know if it is still posted on their site. But it was awesome, laying out step by step where they will double track, triple track, quad track, build bridges, add frequencies, start new lines. They aim for transit-like service, every 15 minutes, from D.C. well beyond Baltimore, up to the Army base or further. And plan to begin service towards Frederick. </p>
<p>What they&#8217;ll need is some billions to work with. They got the ROW and the passengers waiting. As this Great Recession rolls on and unemployment remains at 10% or 16%, depending on how you measure it, we may need a second stimulus program twice as big as this year&#8217;s. We&#8217;ll need the trains and it looks like we&#8217;ll need the work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/06/alternative-alignments-for-corridor-cities-transitway-illustrate-importance-of-reaching-town-centers/#comment-15498</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked that they haven&#039;t thought of extending the heavy rail metro line up towards Fedrick Mayland considering how fast the traffic is growing up there. Everytime I drive along that highway it seems like several new high rise buildings pop up and more and more traffic plugs the highways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked that they haven&#8217;t thought of extending the heavy rail metro line up towards Fedrick Mayland considering how fast the traffic is growing up there. Everytime I drive along that highway it seems like several new high rise buildings pop up and more and more traffic plugs the highways.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/06/alternative-alignments-for-corridor-cities-transitway-illustrate-importance-of-reaching-town-centers/#comment-15427</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, the M15 and B46 are good examples of why New York should have built more subways!  :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, the M15 and B46 are good examples of why New York should have built more subways!  :-P</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/06/alternative-alignments-for-corridor-cities-transitway-illustrate-importance-of-reaching-town-centers/#comment-15425</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarrett: &quot;of the cost, &quot;

That&#039;s *capital costs*.  If the LRT has lower operating costs than BRT, it may pay for those higher &quot;costs&quot; within a couple of years.  With 42,000 daily users, most of whom are commuters, the savings could be enormous.

I haven&#039;t looked up the operating cost numbers on this project, but suffice it to say they weren&#039;t in this article.  And since that is crucial for any comparison....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarrett: &#8220;of the cost, &#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s *capital costs*.  If the LRT has lower operating costs than BRT, it may pay for those higher &#8220;costs&#8221; within a couple of years.  With 42,000 daily users, most of whom are commuters, the savings could be enormous.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t looked up the operating cost numbers on this project, but suffice it to say they weren&#8217;t in this article.  And since that is crucial for any comparison&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/11/06/alternative-alignments-for-corridor-cities-transitway-illustrate-importance-of-reaching-town-centers/#comment-15220</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After seeing this highway in real life I think widening it to 12 lanes and adding the Bus RT won&#039;t be enought for it in that I saw several high rise buildings under construction in the area with massive five to ten story tall parking decks. Also I think the idea of driving a bus that is two buses linked up as one would be very hard to drive around on the packed freeway and streets. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After seeing this highway in real life I think widening it to 12 lanes and adding the Bus RT won&#8217;t be enought for it in that I saw several high rise buildings under construction in the area with massive five to ten story tall parking decks. Also I think the idea of driving a bus that is two buses linked up as one would be very hard to drive around on the packed freeway and streets. </p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 3 minute headway is appropriate only at rush hour. If you need a 3-minute headway off-peak, then the headway you need at rush hour is too short for bus service, requiring LRT.

Off-peak, even a bus with 50,000 daily riders, which this bus won&#039;t have, can only support 4-5 minutes, which translates to 12-15 minutes on the outlying segments. This is on the outer edge of frequent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 3 minute headway is appropriate only at rush hour. If you need a 3-minute headway off-peak, then the headway you need at rush hour is too short for bus service, requiring LRT.</p>
<p>Off-peak, even a bus with 50,000 daily riders, which this bus won&#8217;t have, can only support 4-5 minutes, which translates to 12-15 minutes on the outlying segments. This is on the outer edge of frequent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrett at HumanTransit.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarrett at HumanTransit.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alon.  Yes, the patterns of a branching BRT need to be designed carefully so that you get a match with the frequency need on each segment.  But I&#039;d be figuring each route at no worse than, say, 9 minute headways, for a net 3 where they all overlay on approach to Shady Grove.  Obviously I&#039;m not close enough to do a detailed design, but that would be the principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon.  Yes, the patterns of a branching BRT need to be designed carefully so that you get a match with the frequency need on each segment.  But I&#8217;d be figuring each route at no worse than, say, 9 minute headways, for a net 3 where they all overlay on approach to Shady Grove.  Obviously I&#8217;m not close enough to do a detailed design, but that would be the principle.</p>
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