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	<title>Comments on: Florida Convenes Special Legislative Session for Sunrail, Tri-Rail, High-Speed Rail</title>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/12/04/florida-convenes-special-legislative-session-for-sunrail-tri-rail-high-speed-rail/#comment-21492</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, after 20 years, Tri-Rail has ridership on a 70-mile line through a larger population shed than most big cities that competes poorly with the ridership much shorter light-rail lines have accomplished in year one through much smaller cities.

It saw ridership grow during the $4/gallon gas spike, as did every transit system in the country, bus or rail; but has not sustained that ridership, and more importantly, unlike good light rail starts in Houston and Dallas and elsewhere, has not motivated the public to support it with tax dollars. 

It&#039;s the wrong line in the wrong place - it would have been better to wait 10 more years to run on the FEC corridor than to have spent all this money and have nothing but the current state to show for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, after 20 years, Tri-Rail has ridership on a 70-mile line through a larger population shed than most big cities that competes poorly with the ridership much shorter light-rail lines have accomplished in year one through much smaller cities.</p>
<p>It saw ridership grow during the $4/gallon gas spike, as did every transit system in the country, bus or rail; but has not sustained that ridership, and more importantly, unlike good light rail starts in Houston and Dallas and elsewhere, has not motivated the public to support it with tax dollars. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the wrong line in the wrong place &#8211; it would have been better to wait 10 more years to run on the FEC corridor than to have spent all this money and have nothing but the current state to show for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle from Miami</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/12/04/florida-convenes-special-legislative-session-for-sunrail-tri-rail-high-speed-rail/#comment-20938</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle from Miami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tri-Rail is extremely successful M1EK, what are you talking about? It&#039;s ridership has grown every year, and with future connections to more Metrorail stations, and to the new Miami Central Station, it will continue to gain ridership.

There&#039;s currently a plan to build a new Tri-Rail line from Downtown Miami at Government Center to Downtown Fort Lauderdale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tri-Rail is extremely successful M1EK, what are you talking about? It&#8217;s ridership has grown every year, and with future connections to more Metrorail stations, and to the new Miami Central Station, it will continue to gain ridership.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s currently a plan to build a new Tri-Rail line from Downtown Miami at Government Center to Downtown Fort Lauderdale.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/12/04/florida-convenes-special-legislative-session-for-sunrail-tri-rail-high-speed-rail/#comment-20015</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tri-Rail needs to die, as a transit system, but Tri-Rail needs to live, as a cautionary tale about how building the wrong line can doom you for decades. I&#039;m kind of torn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tri-Rail needs to die, as a transit system, but Tri-Rail needs to live, as a cautionary tale about how building the wrong line can doom you for decades. I&#8217;m kind of torn.</p>
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		<title>By: DBX</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/12/04/florida-convenes-special-legislative-session-for-sunrail-tri-rail-high-speed-rail/#comment-19892</link>
		<dc:creator>DBX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually beginning to like the politics of this plan.  If indeed California and Florida get the lion&#039;s share of the money, it&#039;s a bold move by the Obama Administration for several reasons:

1) It would establish the precedent that new rail starts should get the same kind of proportion of federal money as new highway starts.

2) It would fast track true high speed rail, hopefully creating an &quot;I want one too&quot; effect among other states.

3) It would be a wakeup call for Amtrak to get its act together, quite explicitly bypassing the company where a more incremental approach would have brought them front-and-center.

4) It would be a wakeup call for state and local politicians whose approach to rail has been definitely from the school of half-measures

5) It would help to lock in the California scheme, which I think is extremely vulnerable due to the state&#039;s financial situation.

Less predictable is what kind of political dynamic this degree of concentration of the grants would create.  Hopefully, item 2 above would take hold; I wouldn&#039;t want other states to get discouraged.  I think, therefore, that it&#039;s also important for a substantial grant to go to an incremental project, such as in the Midwest, that would deliver a major improvement on an existing route.  Let&#039;s say funding the equipment purchases and infrastructure upgrades to enable Chicago-Milwaukee to speed up from its current 90 minutes to an even hour and to increase frequency to hourly or half-hourly, and maybe bringing in Madison as a feeder route to Milwaukee and/or Metra&#039;s UP-NW service direct to Chicago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually beginning to like the politics of this plan.  If indeed California and Florida get the lion&#8217;s share of the money, it&#8217;s a bold move by the Obama Administration for several reasons:</p>
<p>1) It would establish the precedent that new rail starts should get the same kind of proportion of federal money as new highway starts.</p>
<p>2) It would fast track true high speed rail, hopefully creating an &#8220;I want one too&#8221; effect among other states.</p>
<p>3) It would be a wakeup call for Amtrak to get its act together, quite explicitly bypassing the company where a more incremental approach would have brought them front-and-center.</p>
<p>4) It would be a wakeup call for state and local politicians whose approach to rail has been definitely from the school of half-measures</p>
<p>5) It would help to lock in the California scheme, which I think is extremely vulnerable due to the state&#8217;s financial situation.</p>
<p>Less predictable is what kind of political dynamic this degree of concentration of the grants would create.  Hopefully, item 2 above would take hold; I wouldn&#8217;t want other states to get discouraged.  I think, therefore, that it&#8217;s also important for a substantial grant to go to an incremental project, such as in the Midwest, that would deliver a major improvement on an existing route.  Let&#8217;s say funding the equipment purchases and infrastructure upgrades to enable Chicago-Milwaukee to speed up from its current 90 minutes to an even hour and to increase frequency to hourly or half-hourly, and maybe bringing in Madison as a feeder route to Milwaukee and/or Metra&#8217;s UP-NW service direct to Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocean Railroader</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/12/04/florida-convenes-special-legislative-session-for-sunrail-tri-rail-high-speed-rail/#comment-19773</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocean Railroader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Florida gets to build their first section of high speed rail and it has eletric catenary in it then it would be good in that it would set up a base for the catenary from the north to head to link up in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Florida gets to build their first section of high speed rail and it has eletric catenary in it then it would be good in that it would set up a base for the catenary from the north to head to link up in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/12/04/florida-convenes-special-legislative-session-for-sunrail-tri-rail-high-speed-rail/#comment-19765</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame that they&#039;re not going to connect to downtown Orlando.

Tampa will benefit sooo much more from this as a city b/c of the urban development. They&#039;ll learn the lesson eventually, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that they&#8217;re not going to connect to downtown Orlando.</p>
<p>Tampa will benefit sooo much more from this as a city b/c of the urban development. They&#8217;ll learn the lesson eventually, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of surprising to see Florida get its act together.  I don&#039;t see why other states don&#039;t do this to increase their chances of getting funds.  Great that it is going to provide a stable source of funding for the commuter rail as well.  

I really think Florida might walk away with all the money they ask for.  I really don&#039;t think this is a bad thing either for 3 reasons.  

1) It is the fourth most populated state.

2) There is a lot of people who can&#039;t drive there.  Think of all the elderly people.  Florida has the highest percentage of people over 65 of any state with 17.6% of the total state population.

3) This is the best possible marketing opportunity to sell the general public on on investing in true HSR.  I say this because it would be the quickest project probably to get up and running which would allow the word to get out quicker.  Also it is a huge tourist destination for the domestic tourists.  Many people will visit the state and end up riding it.  They will no doubt be impressed and go home asking their state for the same.  

That being said I would never want to live in Florida.  However, I feel like it is inherently unfair to give into all of their request with so many great projects out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of surprising to see Florida get its act together.  I don&#8217;t see why other states don&#8217;t do this to increase their chances of getting funds.  Great that it is going to provide a stable source of funding for the commuter rail as well.  </p>
<p>I really think Florida might walk away with all the money they ask for.  I really don&#8217;t think this is a bad thing either for 3 reasons.  </p>
<p>1) It is the fourth most populated state.</p>
<p>2) There is a lot of people who can&#8217;t drive there.  Think of all the elderly people.  Florida has the highest percentage of people over 65 of any state with 17.6% of the total state population.</p>
<p>3) This is the best possible marketing opportunity to sell the general public on on investing in true HSR.  I say this because it would be the quickest project probably to get up and running which would allow the word to get out quicker.  Also it is a huge tourist destination for the domestic tourists.  Many people will visit the state and end up riding it.  They will no doubt be impressed and go home asking their state for the same.  </p>
<p>That being said I would never want to live in Florida.  However, I feel like it is inherently unfair to give into all of their request with so many great projects out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/12/04/florida-convenes-special-legislative-session-for-sunrail-tri-rail-high-speed-rail/#comment-19432</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That is, until the U.S. Congress expands its commitment to high-speed rail by dedicating $1 billion or more for the mode in the annual transportation appropriations process, a decision expected to be made early next year with the support of strong majorities in both houses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t forget too that the House 2009 appropriations bill had $4 billion for HSR this year (versus $1.2bn in the senate). If they keep that amount in the omnibus appropriations bill that will have to be passed in the next few weeks, then it would probably give DOT and FRA even more incentive to fully fund CA and FL HSR since there&#039;d still be a good chunk left over ($4.7 bn) to spread out across the country.  This would even leave enough money to fund say half of the midwest and southeast proposals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That is, until the U.S. Congress expands its commitment to high-speed rail by dedicating $1 billion or more for the mode in the annual transportation appropriations process, a decision expected to be made early next year with the support of strong majorities in both houses.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget too that the House 2009 appropriations bill had $4 billion for HSR this year (versus $1.2bn in the senate). If they keep that amount in the omnibus appropriations bill that will have to be passed in the next few weeks, then it would probably give DOT and FRA even more incentive to fully fund CA and FL HSR since there&#8217;d still be a good chunk left over ($4.7 bn) to spread out across the country.  This would even leave enough money to fund say half of the midwest and southeast proposals.</p>
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