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	<title>Comments on: St. Louis Metro Promotes Transit Investment Plan, But Will Need Sales Tax Support to See it Through</title>
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		<title>By: Mons Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mons Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone thought to provide all the riders of the Metro with a door to door cab service instead of this money pit. There are so few riders on the busses where I live I think you would save money if the few riders were moved around in limos. Or give all the prospective riders vouchers again you would save money, be more flexible, and wouldn&#039;t be saddled with all the underutilized inferstructure costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone thought to provide all the riders of the Metro with a door to door cab service instead of this money pit. There are so few riders on the busses where I live I think you would save money if the few riders were moved around in limos. Or give all the prospective riders vouchers again you would save money, be more flexible, and wouldn&#8217;t be saddled with all the underutilized inferstructure costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the city is sending light rail to other counties at this stage, it&#039;s doing it wrong. First build up the urban core, then send light rail to the boonies.

The detour doesn&#039;t need to be there to serve downtown. The line can detour eastward slightly to serve Union Station; there&#039;s no need to go almost all the way to the river.

Ultimately, &lt;a href=&quot;http://radicalcartography.net/subways_2.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this map&lt;/a&gt; shows all that is wrong with MetroLink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the city is sending light rail to other counties at this stage, it&#8217;s doing it wrong. First build up the urban core, then send light rail to the boonies.</p>
<p>The detour doesn&#8217;t need to be there to serve downtown. The line can detour eastward slightly to serve Union Station; there&#8217;s no need to go almost all the way to the river.</p>
<p>Ultimately, <a href="http://radicalcartography.net/subways_2.pdf" rel="nofollow">this map</a> shows all that is wrong with MetroLink.</p>
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		<title>By: Herbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alon, the detour is required to reach the downtown core which lies east of Tucker (12th) whereas the proposed MetroLink line approaches downtown in both directions via 14th. Metro maintains a transit hub at 14th &amp; Spruce adjacent to the Civic Center station. Nitpicky, but Yonah&#039;s map shows each downtown detour segment of the proposed line 1-2 blocks off of where it should actually be (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ewgateway.org/ProgProj/NSSideStudy/nssidestudy.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;see EWGateway&lt;/a&gt;).

In the end, the problem really is money.  EWGateway studied the MetroSouth corridor in 2004 but indefinitely deferred selection of a locally preferred alternative due to unclear funding sources.  They studied Northside-Southside in 2008, but have not acted, again, due to unclear funding sources as well as obscene cost for paltry urban ridership estimates. Madison County has yet to vote for a transit tax since a failure in 1997. I&#039;m sure the Daniel Boone line will get studied shortly; attractiveness of the Westport employment center at the end of line, St. Charles County commuters, and wealth politics will all but certainly sway EWGateway to build this line first over all other LRT alignments, or so says my own crystal ball.  None of which matters if the April vote fails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon, the detour is required to reach the downtown core which lies east of Tucker (12th) whereas the proposed MetroLink line approaches downtown in both directions via 14th. Metro maintains a transit hub at 14th &amp; Spruce adjacent to the Civic Center station. Nitpicky, but Yonah&#8217;s map shows each downtown detour segment of the proposed line 1-2 blocks off of where it should actually be (<a href="http://www.ewgateway.org/ProgProj/NSSideStudy/nssidestudy.htm" rel="nofollow">see EWGateway</a>).</p>
<p>In the end, the problem really is money.  EWGateway studied the MetroSouth corridor in 2004 but indefinitely deferred selection of a locally preferred alternative due to unclear funding sources.  They studied Northside-Southside in 2008, but have not acted, again, due to unclear funding sources as well as obscene cost for paltry urban ridership estimates. Madison County has yet to vote for a transit tax since a failure in 1997. I&#8217;m sure the Daniel Boone line will get studied shortly; attractiveness of the Westport employment center at the end of line, St. Charles County commuters, and wealth politics will all but certainly sway EWGateway to build this line first over all other LRT alignments, or so says my own crystal ball.  None of which matters if the April vote fails.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2010/02/15/st-louis-metro-promotes-transit-investment-plan-but-will-need-sales-tax-support-to-see-it-through/#comment-28497</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with this plan isn&#039;t money; it&#039;s that it replicates the tried and failed monocentric model of rail development. Would it kill Metrolink to merge the North Side and South Side light rail lines into one line without too much detouring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this plan isn&#8217;t money; it&#8217;s that it replicates the tried and failed monocentric model of rail development. Would it kill Metrolink to merge the North Side and South Side light rail lines into one line without too much detouring?</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney S.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2010/02/15/st-louis-metro-promotes-transit-investment-plan-but-will-need-sales-tax-support-to-see-it-through/#comment-28486</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In St. Louis, there is a big misconception that Metro gets to decide where and when to expand light rail or how to move into other large transit planning projects like BRT.  We do not have that authority.  The East-West Gateway Council of Governments, made up of our elected officials, have the power of planning and approval over future design projects.  They provide the initial design estimate and plan.  

The plan is what Metro&#039;s research and planning department has identified as potential transit corridors and modes for the future, how long it could take, etc, based on our own planning data and public input.  But the prioritization, as well as initial cost estimates, is left to our region&#039;s transportation planning organization, East-West Gateway.

Also, the plan highlights that the first priorities that Metro does decide if funding is secured, is the restoration of service (bus, rail and paratransit) lost in March 2009, as well as technological and safety amenities for passengers.  These priorities were based on public input.

Without additional funding, by July 2010 Metro will reduce its service to 50% of what was available in St. Louis March 2009.  The last generative funding mechanism in St. Louis for public transit was elected in 1994; previously, 1974.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In St. Louis, there is a big misconception that Metro gets to decide where and when to expand light rail or how to move into other large transit planning projects like BRT.  We do not have that authority.  The East-West Gateway Council of Governments, made up of our elected officials, have the power of planning and approval over future design projects.  They provide the initial design estimate and plan.  </p>
<p>The plan is what Metro&#8217;s research and planning department has identified as potential transit corridors and modes for the future, how long it could take, etc, based on our own planning data and public input.  But the prioritization, as well as initial cost estimates, is left to our region&#8217;s transportation planning organization, East-West Gateway.</p>
<p>Also, the plan highlights that the first priorities that Metro does decide if funding is secured, is the restoration of service (bus, rail and paratransit) lost in March 2009, as well as technological and safety amenities for passengers.  These priorities were based on public input.</p>
<p>Without additional funding, by July 2010 Metro will reduce its service to 50% of what was available in St. Louis March 2009.  The last generative funding mechanism in St. Louis for public transit was elected in 1994; previously, 1974.</p>
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		<title>By: Xerxesjc28</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2010/02/15/st-louis-metro-promotes-transit-investment-plan-but-will-need-sales-tax-support-to-see-it-through/#comment-28484</link>
		<dc:creator>Xerxesjc28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If passed, Proposition A would generate an estimated $75 million a year from its 1/2¢ sales tax&quot;

Is that correct, that 1/2 Cents sales tax = only 75 million? I would have thought it would be tons more since here in Miami our 1/2 cents sales tax increase gave us like hundreds of millions (like billions over a decade or 2 iirc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If passed, Proposition A would generate an estimated $75 million a year from its 1/2¢ sales tax&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that correct, that 1/2 Cents sales tax = only 75 million? I would have thought it would be tons more since here in Miami our 1/2 cents sales tax increase gave us like hundreds of millions (like billions over a decade or 2 iirc).</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason Metro doesn&#039;t include priorities in the plan is because Metro isn&#039;t the body charged with making those decisions. That&#039;s a political/planning function that the East-West Gateway will serve. Metro is including strengths and weaknesses of each route, though, and you can easily see via the data which corridors look like good bets and which don&#039;t, from a purely transit point of view.

Each presentation that Metro has given regarding the plan has emphasized, over and over, the funding challenges to expanding transit in St. Louis, or even restoring much of the service that was lost last year. The plan makes clear that any expansion requires additional local, state, and federal resources. But you have to start somewhere, and sharing a vision is a good place to start figuring out how to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason Metro doesn&#8217;t include priorities in the plan is because Metro isn&#8217;t the body charged with making those decisions. That&#8217;s a political/planning function that the East-West Gateway will serve. Metro is including strengths and weaknesses of each route, though, and you can easily see via the data which corridors look like good bets and which don&#8217;t, from a purely transit point of view.</p>
<p>Each presentation that Metro has given regarding the plan has emphasized, over and over, the funding challenges to expanding transit in St. Louis, or even restoring much of the service that was lost last year. The plan makes clear that any expansion requires additional local, state, and federal resources. But you have to start somewhere, and sharing a vision is a good place to start figuring out how to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: DBX</title>
		<link>http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2010/02/15/st-louis-metro-promotes-transit-investment-plan-but-will-need-sales-tax-support-to-see-it-through/#comment-28476</link>
		<dc:creator>DBX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a good baseline of support for transit in general in St. Louis-area politics, but bear in mind the circumstances under which the 2008 referendum failed; not only was the plan vague, but Metrolink had just filed a weak lawsuit against the contractor on the West County light rail line, which Metrolink of course lost, and immediately drew a countersuit that the contractor won.  At issue was the great many change orders in that project, how long the contractor had taken, and how much Metro should pay.  There was a strong perception at the time that the referendum was covering for the unfortunate result of the lawsuits.  And even so, the referendum failed by the narrowest of margins.  

The plan tells me that Metrolink is not only much more focused than it was, it is also much more politically realistic.  The geography of the new plan pays more attention to areas that leaned more than expected toward voting no in the 2008 referendum, namely heavily-African-American north county and the white working and middle class South County (south and southwest suburbs.  And I think the result is a better plan.  City neighborhoods are better covered, and suburb-to-suburb commuting is much better covered.

A note on planning as well.  St. Louis is very low density on residential and could stand some DC-style rezoning and high-rise development around metro stations.  But the other half of the battle is commercial and St. Louis commercial development is concentrated in corridors, hence the enormous range of jobs, business, educational and retail nodes already served by the relatively small light rail network in place.  As long as people can get from their homes to the bus or train stop, the other end is taken care of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a good baseline of support for transit in general in St. Louis-area politics, but bear in mind the circumstances under which the 2008 referendum failed; not only was the plan vague, but Metrolink had just filed a weak lawsuit against the contractor on the West County light rail line, which Metrolink of course lost, and immediately drew a countersuit that the contractor won.  At issue was the great many change orders in that project, how long the contractor had taken, and how much Metro should pay.  There was a strong perception at the time that the referendum was covering for the unfortunate result of the lawsuits.  And even so, the referendum failed by the narrowest of margins.  </p>
<p>The plan tells me that Metrolink is not only much more focused than it was, it is also much more politically realistic.  The geography of the new plan pays more attention to areas that leaned more than expected toward voting no in the 2008 referendum, namely heavily-African-American north county and the white working and middle class South County (south and southwest suburbs.  And I think the result is a better plan.  City neighborhoods are better covered, and suburb-to-suburb commuting is much better covered.</p>
<p>A note on planning as well.  St. Louis is very low density on residential and could stand some DC-style rezoning and high-rise development around metro stations.  But the other half of the battle is commercial and St. Louis commercial development is concentrated in corridors, hence the enormous range of jobs, business, educational and retail nodes already served by the relatively small light rail network in place.  As long as people can get from their homes to the bus or train stop, the other end is taken care of.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRT is not a true fixed guideway, even with a busway. It&#039;s just a dumbing down. And Grand should have LRT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRT is not a true fixed guideway, even with a busway. It&#8217;s just a dumbing down. And Grand should have LRT.</p>
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