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	<title>Comments on: New Haven, Stamford Enter Streetcar Wars with Proposed Station-to-Downtown Links</title>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An underground subway would work better in Stamford.  Bedford and Summer streets are narrow and congested - the train should be underground.  Stamford is the fastest-growing city in New England, with an official population of 120,000 and an unofficial population of 150,000.  

There is no reason for the Stamford line to end so early at Bull&#039;s Head.  The areas north of Bull&#039;s Head - along High Ridge and Long Ridge roads -  are dense with housing, shopping and office parks holding thousands and thousands of jobs.  In order to be a success, Stamford&#039;s subway ought to run at least as far north as Merritt Parkway.

Long-term, further lines ought to be built to the West Side and East Side and along Cove Road, all of which are densely populated and have a high population of lower-income transit-dependent residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An underground subway would work better in Stamford.  Bedford and Summer streets are narrow and congested &#8211; the train should be underground.  Stamford is the fastest-growing city in New England, with an official population of 120,000 and an unofficial population of 150,000.  </p>
<p>There is no reason for the Stamford line to end so early at Bull&#8217;s Head.  The areas north of Bull&#8217;s Head &#8211; along High Ridge and Long Ridge roads &#8211;  are dense with housing, shopping and office parks holding thousands and thousands of jobs.  In order to be a success, Stamford&#8217;s subway ought to run at least as far north as Merritt Parkway.</p>
<p>Long-term, further lines ought to be built to the West Side and East Side and along Cove Road, all of which are densely populated and have a high population of lower-income transit-dependent residents.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The State Street station is located east of Union Station, which is to say east of the huge yard and maintanance facility behind Union Station. It&#039;s also located on Amtrak&#039;s line east to Boston and north to Springfield. The planned commuter rail to Springfield will use the station, but Metro North and Amtrak probably agree it&#039;s too onerous to move so many trains from the yard to State Street without delaying Amtrak&#039;s trains. Besides, Union Station is quite beautiful and has many services and bus routes to offer customers.

A better idea would be to run the streetcar line down Union Avenue, which turns into State Street, then turn toward the Green on Chapel Street then turn onto Church to head toward Whitney. State Street in this part of town could frankly use a development impetus, as it&#039;s filled mainly with surface parking lots for people going to jury duty downtown. And a line here could potentially expand to the Fair Haven neighborhood.

Hopefully the city has dusted off the plans from it&#039;s old streetcar network, as it was quite large, with one trolley even traveling to Waterbury. A fixed guideway could even be found by getting rid of the parking spaces on one side of the street in most places downtown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The State Street station is located east of Union Station, which is to say east of the huge yard and maintanance facility behind Union Station. It&#8217;s also located on Amtrak&#8217;s line east to Boston and north to Springfield. The planned commuter rail to Springfield will use the station, but Metro North and Amtrak probably agree it&#8217;s too onerous to move so many trains from the yard to State Street without delaying Amtrak&#8217;s trains. Besides, Union Station is quite beautiful and has many services and bus routes to offer customers.</p>
<p>A better idea would be to run the streetcar line down Union Avenue, which turns into State Street, then turn toward the Green on Chapel Street then turn onto Church to head toward Whitney. State Street in this part of town could frankly use a development impetus, as it&#8217;s filled mainly with surface parking lots for people going to jury duty downtown. And a line here could potentially expand to the Fair Haven neighborhood.</p>
<p>Hopefully the city has dusted off the plans from it&#8217;s old streetcar network, as it was quite large, with one trolley even traveling to Waterbury. A fixed guideway could even be found by getting rid of the parking spaces on one side of the street in most places downtown.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s a space issue, then it&#039;s no big deal. Commuter trains can turn around very quickly, on the order of 2 minutes. But if it&#039;s difficult and the train must be cleaned, then 10-15 minutes would be feasible and acceptable: then there would be room for every off-peak train to go to State Street, as well as for many peak trains providing reasonable frequency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s a space issue, then it&#8217;s no big deal. Commuter trains can turn around very quickly, on the order of 2 minutes. But if it&#8217;s difficult and the train must be cleaned, then 10-15 minutes would be feasible and acceptable: then there would be room for every off-peak train to go to State Street, as well as for many peak trains providing reasonable frequency.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If New Haven&#039;s is a seed, with an eye toward a more comprehensive streetcar network, this startup system should definitely be run at no fare. These are very short distances, and their ridership would probably double if they didn&#039;t charge people to use it. I&#039;m thinking, for example large numbers of trips from East Rock to Downtown and back. Less than two miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If New Haven&#8217;s is a seed, with an eye toward a more comprehensive streetcar network, this startup system should definitely be run at no fare. These are very short distances, and their ridership would probably double if they didn&#8217;t charge people to use it. I&#8217;m thinking, for example large numbers of trips from East Rock to Downtown and back. Less than two miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physical limitations. Expanding State Street to accommodate Metro North traffic would be extremely costly if possible at all. At least that&#039;s my understanding. Suffice to say that it&#039;s capital cost, not operating cost, that&#039;s holding this idea up. Ideally EVERY MNRR train would go to State Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physical limitations. Expanding State Street to accommodate Metro North traffic would be extremely costly if possible at all. At least that&#8217;s my understanding. Suffice to say that it&#8217;s capital cost, not operating cost, that&#8217;s holding this idea up. Ideally EVERY MNRR train would go to State Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know most Metro-North trains terminate at Union Station. What I&#039;m asking is why New Haven doesn&#039;t pay Metro-North to just run more trains to State Street. Is commuter rail so expensive to operate in the US that building a streetcar from scratch is cheaper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know most Metro-North trains terminate at Union Station. What I&#8217;m asking is why New Haven doesn&#8217;t pay Metro-North to just run more trains to State Street. Is commuter rail so expensive to operate in the US that building a streetcar from scratch is cheaper?</p>
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		<title>By: Native Nutmegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Native Nutmegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New Haven streetcar should do well right now; New Haven is fairly dense and walkable. But I noticed one problem with the long range New Haven proposals: the Route 34 line should really extend another half mile beyond it&#039;s proposed terminus to reach the Yale Bowl/stadium/athletic facilities. A Yale Bowl connection line would eventually make it easy to take a future New Haven/Springfield commuter train to Union Station, then switch to a streetcar to go to the baseball or football games. Traffic leaving these games is a nightmare.

The Stamford Streetcar could do well, but they&#039;ll need some local zoning changes to make the area into a more walkable, vibrant community to see good ridership. But, this drawback is also Stamford&#039;s strength: by incorporating the streetcar line as the cornerstone of a massive economic development push in the city, they can get an effective transit line AND a revitalized, vibrant urban core.

After way too many years of car-centric urban planning in CT, it&#039;s nice to see some diversification and serious thought put into public transit systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Haven streetcar should do well right now; New Haven is fairly dense and walkable. But I noticed one problem with the long range New Haven proposals: the Route 34 line should really extend another half mile beyond it&#8217;s proposed terminus to reach the Yale Bowl/stadium/athletic facilities. A Yale Bowl connection line would eventually make it easy to take a future New Haven/Springfield commuter train to Union Station, then switch to a streetcar to go to the baseball or football games. Traffic leaving these games is a nightmare.</p>
<p>The Stamford Streetcar could do well, but they&#8217;ll need some local zoning changes to make the area into a more walkable, vibrant community to see good ridership. But, this drawback is also Stamford&#8217;s strength: by incorporating the streetcar line as the cornerstone of a massive economic development push in the city, they can get an effective transit line AND a revitalized, vibrant urban core.</p>
<p>After way too many years of car-centric urban planning in CT, it&#8217;s nice to see some diversification and serious thought put into public transit systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Alon--I&#039;ve often wondered why State St station hasn&#039;t been better developed to accomodate MetroNorth train services on a more regular basis. If the city weren&#039;t so keen on the major redevelopment of Rt 34, it would be interesting to have a streetcar system serve Chapel St and thus State St station, particularly as 360 State seems to be rather heavily promoted at the moment. On the other hand, the streetcar network could provide a useful (if potentially controversial) way to consider the city&#039;s socioeconomic divides. I don&#039;t know what the long-term plans are, but some of New Haven&#039;s sharpest divisions occur along its major mass transit routes (eg Whalley or Dixwell out towards the northwestern suburbs).

Joe, the middle of the green may be only 200 ft from Phelps Gate, which is one entrance to Old Campus; on the other hand, most Yale students live much farther away, some a good ten to fifteen minutes away from the Green. Yes, it&#039;s possible to walk to the Green, but if I were to use a streetcar to get from the station, it would likely be at night, and trudging across even half the Green is not inviting. This applies in any direction coming from Union Station. Mind, Yale&#039;s free transit service does a pretty good job of getting you to the station, so perhaps undergrad students are not a primary target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Alon&#8211;I&#8217;ve often wondered why State St station hasn&#8217;t been better developed to accomodate MetroNorth train services on a more regular basis. If the city weren&#8217;t so keen on the major redevelopment of Rt 34, it would be interesting to have a streetcar system serve Chapel St and thus State St station, particularly as 360 State seems to be rather heavily promoted at the moment. On the other hand, the streetcar network could provide a useful (if potentially controversial) way to consider the city&#8217;s socioeconomic divides. I don&#8217;t know what the long-term plans are, but some of New Haven&#8217;s sharpest divisions occur along its major mass transit routes (eg Whalley or Dixwell out towards the northwestern suburbs).</p>
<p>Joe, the middle of the green may be only 200 ft from Phelps Gate, which is one entrance to Old Campus; on the other hand, most Yale students live much farther away, some a good ten to fifteen minutes away from the Green. Yes, it&#8217;s possible to walk to the Green, but if I were to use a streetcar to get from the station, it would likely be at night, and trudging across even half the Green is not inviting. This applies in any direction coming from Union Station. Mind, Yale&#8217;s free transit service does a pretty good job of getting you to the station, so perhaps undergrad students are not a primary target.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 03:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the State Street station is closer to downtown, the volume of passenger traffic through Union Station is a lot heavier than the volume through the State St station (there are only 2 or 3 Metro-North trains that run through to State St, while all the rest of the services terminate at Union Station.)

Shore Line East service terminates at State St, but there are many times more Metro-North passengers than Shore Line passengers. As someone who went to school in New Haven and has traveled to both New York and points east via rail, I&#039;d definitely opt for the streetcar to Union Station (leaving the entire question of its viability aside.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the State Street station is closer to downtown, the volume of passenger traffic through Union Station is a lot heavier than the volume through the State St station (there are only 2 or 3 Metro-North trains that run through to State St, while all the rest of the services terminate at Union Station.)</p>
<p>Shore Line East service terminates at State St, but there are many times more Metro-North passengers than Shore Line passengers. As someone who went to school in New Haven and has traveled to both New York and points east via rail, I&#8217;d definitely opt for the streetcar to Union Station (leaving the entire question of its viability aside.)</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Haven missed the boat on a reserved guideway when it (more likely the towns of Hamden and Cheshire) allowed the old Farminton Canal rail line to be turned into a biketrail into the suburbs. Apparently there was a proposal in the 70s to fit city buses with hi-rail gear so they could run up the old track into the suburbs, but it went nowhere.

New Haven as a whole is very dense and walkable and so a streetcar system would do pretty well, even if it has to share colonial era streets with cars. Stamford&#039;s downtown, on the other hand, is downright dangerous for pedestrians and is really a giant office park rather than a true downtown.

Nevertheless, Yale has a huge say in New Haven and so if they want this built, it will be built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Haven missed the boat on a reserved guideway when it (more likely the towns of Hamden and Cheshire) allowed the old Farminton Canal rail line to be turned into a biketrail into the suburbs. Apparently there was a proposal in the 70s to fit city buses with hi-rail gear so they could run up the old track into the suburbs, but it went nowhere.</p>
<p>New Haven as a whole is very dense and walkable and so a streetcar system would do pretty well, even if it has to share colonial era streets with cars. Stamford&#8217;s downtown, on the other hand, is downright dangerous for pedestrians and is really a giant office park rather than a true downtown.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, Yale has a huge say in New Haven and so if they want this built, it will be built.</p>
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